U.S attacks Syria

[calgaryblood]

Have to say I'm quite pleased with this response. The chemical attacks was sickening.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/u...yria-1.3358473

[photon]

Did they do it without killing civilians? How about Russian troops, I assume Russia was warned well in advance.

Like the move or not, it's a little disconcerting as to how quickly Trump switched position and acted...

[CampbellsTransgressions]

If I'm Putin I'm about to be humiliated and can avoid it by supporting a regime change.

Personally I don't really care for the brinkmanship.

[Bigtime]

Photon, the Globe and Mail article on this says the US notified the Russians prior.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by photon

Did they do it without killing civilians? How about Russian troops, I assume Russia was warned well in advance.

Like the move or not, it's a little disconcerting as to how quickly Trump switched position and acted...

Good point, I was assuming there were no civilians in the army base but actually don't know the extent of the attack.

I hope there were no civilian deaths.

[photon]

I don't know about this airbase but I'd read that a lot of military bases, missile sites, etc were embedded in civilian areas intentionally by Assad, but I hope this wasn't.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Good point, I was assuming there were no civilians in the army base but actually don't know the extent of the attack.

I hope there were no civilian deaths.

The USA has killed thousands of civilians from Libya to Pakistan in the past decade+. The USA enables the House of Saud's brutal Yemen campaign and actively participates in a naval blockade of Yemen that threatens a great many civilians with starvation. The USA and its allies, in the past month, have killed more civilians in Syria than Daesh and the SAA combined. The USA and its allies have killed thousands in Mosul. Where has your outrage been?

And now you're concerned about civilian casualties?

[FlamesAddiction]

They better be ready to take it more refugees if they are going this route.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

The USA has killed thousands of civilians from Libya to Pakistan in the past decade+. The USA enables the House of Saud's brutal Yemen campaign and actively participates in a naval blockade of Yemen that threatens a great many civilians with starvation. The USA and its allies, in the past month, have killed more civilians in Syria than Daesh and the SAA combined. The USA and its allies have killed thousands in Mosul. Where has your outrage been?

And now you're concerned about civilian casualties?

Not sure how this relates to my post. I've always been and always will be against the U.S policies in the Middle East and against any civilian deaths but I'd be lying if I didn't take a little satisfaction in seeing Assad take a big blow.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Not sure how this relates to my post. I've always been and always will be against the U.S policies in the Middle East and against any civilian deaths but I'd be lying if I didn't take a little satisfaction in seeing Assad take a big blow.

Perhaps my anger isn't directed at you, but your post was the first that caught my eye. There seems to be this prevailing attitude that something had to be done because civilians died in a chemical attack. But no one gives two $hytes about the thousands upon thousands of civilians who have died from endless US bombing campaigns across North Africa and the Middle East.

Is it ok when a civilian gets smashed to a red mist from a 1000 lb guided bomb? Is that morally acceptable compared to a death by chemical agents?

Assad is a maniac - I get it. But since when do we believe tweets from a militant group that is essentially Al Queda about regime chemical attacks? Seriously?

Here's the thing: the lunatic HTS (Al Queda) sends messages all over the social networks talking about an SU-22 dropping a bomb. Well, I've got news for you, there is no bomb that I am aware of that can be configured to deliver "sarin" and then attached to a hard point on an SU-22. The photos provided by HTS show an artillery shell, not a bomb that an SU-22 would drop. Looking at the bomb "crater" (in quotes because it isn't much of a crater) and then looking at the shadows of the persons standing around it, it is my opinion that the shell was fired from the northeast.

Now, none of that necessarily eliminates Syria from blame, but it throws a large doubt in my mind.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

Assad is a maniac - I get it. But since when do we believe tweets from a militant group that is essentially Al Queda about regime chemical attacks?

Surprisingly enough, they're not basing this on tweets.

Doctors Without Borders has provided confirmation. (Might be others too, but that's about as credible as it gets.)

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org...cal-substances

A Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) medical team supporting the emergency department at Bab Al Hawa Hospital in Syria's Idlib Province has confirmed that patients' symptoms are consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent.

A number of victims of the April 4 attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun were brought to the hospital, located about 60 miles to the north, near the Turkish border. Eight people who were examined by MSF staff displayed symptoms consistent with exposure to an agent such as sarin gas or similar compounds, including constricted pupils, muscle spasms and involuntary defecation.

The MSF team provided drugs and antidotes to treat patients, and distributed protective clothing to medical staff in the hospital's emergency room.

MSF medical teams also visited other hospitals treating victims of the attack, and reported that they smelled of bleach, indicative of possible exposure to chlorine.

These reports strongly suggest that victims of the attack on Khan Sheikhoun were exposed to at least two different chemical agents.

[Itse]

Personal opinion on the bombings:

Hard to have sympathy for the Syrian army but it would be nice to have even a bit of faith that someone in the US has a plan here beyond "let's bomb those bastards".

[photon]

Originally Posted by Itse

Personal opinion on the bombings:

Hard to have sympathy for the Syrian army but it would be nice to have even a bit of faith that someone in the US has a plan here beyond "let's bomb those bastards".

And that plan not be "need a way to get into a war with Iran to line the pockets of our supporters and/or distract from the Russia investigations"

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Itse

Surprisingly enough, they're not basing this on tweets.

Doctors Without Borders has provided confirmation. (Might be others too, but that's about as credible as it gets.)

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org...cal-substances

No one is questioning that it was a chemical weapon, just how it was delivered and maybe who delivered it.

[JoseCuervo]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

The USA has killed thousands of civilians from Libya to Pakistan in the past decade+. The USA enables the House of Saud's brutal Yemen campaign and actively participates in a naval blockade of Yemen that threatens a great many civilians with starvation. The USA and its allies, in the past month, have killed more civilians in Syria than Daesh and the SAA combined. The USA and its allies have killed thousands in Mosul. Where has your outrage been?

And now you're concerned about civilian casualties?

You seem like an Assad/Putin apologist. Although I don't disagree that the US have killed civilians, it is BS if you believe they have killed more then Russia and the SAA. Russia and Assad have been brutally murdeing Syrian civilians for years so don't try to make this a US is the bad guy story.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by Itse

Surprisingly enough, they're not basing this on tweets.

Doctors Without Borders has provided confirmation. (Might be others too, but that's about as credible as it gets.)

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org...cal-substances

Yes, they state the symptoms are consistent with chemical exposure, but I never said there wasn't chemical exposure.

Did MSF confirm who launched the attack and what the weapon was?

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

Russia and Assad have been brutally murdeing Syrian civilians for years so don't try to make this a US is the bad guy story.

I wrote 'month'. M-O-N-T-H. Got it?

They are all bad guys.

[JoseCuervo]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

I wrote 'month'. M-O-N-T-H. Got it?

They are all bad guys.

Yes you did, and do you honestly believe that is true for even this M-O-N-T-H?

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

Yes you did, and do you honestly believe that is true for even this M-O-N-T-H?

Absolutely.

[nik-]

This thread is getting super Noam Chomsky