Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd11 - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

cral12 · 07-22-2014, 12:51 PM

The Big Jankowski for me as well - Kulak close behind - stoked to see 3 CPers already voted Kulak. Well in!

djsFlames · 07-22-2014, 12:59 PM

Voted Jankowski, still 'projects' the highest of the prospects remaining, if indeed he is still on his development path. He's far too young to be written off yet.

It's going to be a giant cluster#### after Janks though. Personally, I'd say Sieloff, as I don't think he's any less the player this year as he was last year, as he seems to be bouncing back very well. His development was delayed, but his projections haven't changed and I think he'll reach them. Still love his heavy build and mean streak, I think he could see NHL time at some point next season. Probably still our 2nd best d-man prospect.

Kulak and Arnold should be coming up soon too.

N26 · 07-22-2014, 01:02 PM

I thought we'd see more votes for Knight at this point. Not winning or anything but definitely thought he'd get more than 6 at this point

codynw · 07-22-2014, 01:04 PM

If Jankowski had been a 3rd round pick and put up these same numbers very few people would be voting for him yet.

MrMastodonFarm · 07-22-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

If Jankowski had been a 3rd round pick and put up these same numbers very few people would be voting for him yet.

Yeah, the guy is really being overrated voted in at eleventh.

Street Pharmacist · 07-22-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, the guy is really being overrated voted in at eleventh.

I'm not high Jankowski, but I'd hardly call him overrated

Flames Draft Watcher · 07-22-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

If Jankowski had been a 3rd round pick and put up these same numbers very few people would be voting for him yet.

So? All prospects are partially judged by their draft position as well.

If you're trying to suggest his numbers are very disappointing, they aren't really at all if you put them in context. You have to factor in that he started college before most players do. His original plan was to go dominate the USHL for a year and then go to college. So last season would have been his freshman year if he had stuck to that plan and he probably would've put up some gaudy numbers in the USHL which would have made fans happy. You also have to factor in that he's on a team that isn't extremely high scoring. And you have to factor in that he hasn't been handed 1st line minutes yet.

Jankowski looks on track to me when you factor in his age and the massive jump from prep school hockey to college. I'd expect his numbers to spike this year. If they don't then we should be worried. No reasons to be worried about his development yet. His size, skill and skating combination mean he's the prospect left with the highest upside.

DJones · 07-22-2014, 01:24 PM

Just wondering, are people voting blind or are they reading a few pages of discussion every round?

mile · 07-22-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJones

Just wondering, are people voting blind or are they reading a few pages of discussion every round?

Blind.

If I get any hint of the results through reading discussion I'll probably follow the majority.

Cali Panthers Fan · 07-22-2014, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJones

Just wondering, are people voting blind or are they reading a few pages of discussion every round?

I vote without seeing anything in each thread first, then read the thread and evaluate the arguments for and against. It helps me make my next choice in the next vote. I like to think my instincts are alright but I've been way ahead of the curve on players like Wotherspoon and Gillies. I think voting without reading the arguments keep things from becoming too much like "group think".

The consensus is still accurate, but seeing the outlier votes and the reasoning behind them is interesting and useful for me.

KootenayFlamesFan · 07-22-2014, 01:36 PM

I go in blind every round. If I'm the sole vote or in the vast majority, so be it. This list will probably change quite a bit next year when we do it again.

Enoch Root · 07-22-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJones

Just wondering, are people voting blind or are they reading a few pages of discussion every round?

I have my own list and follow it. So I guess that equates to blind

Enoch Root · 07-22-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

If Jankowski had been a 3rd round pick and put up these same numbers very few people would be voting for him yet.

He wasn't a 3rd round pick though - and for the same reasons he is getting votes.

He is a big, smooth-skating C with soft hands and a 200' game.

That makes him a 1st rounder, not a 3rd rounder.

And for the same reasons, that garners him votes now and not later, like say a Hanowski, who has a lesser tool set.

People aren't blind sheep that simply vote for a guy based on where he was drafted 2 years ago.

DJones · 07-22-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I vote without seeing anything in each thread first, then read the thread and evaluate the arguments for and against. It helps me make my next choice in the next vote. I like to think my instincts are alright but I've been way ahead of the curve on players like Wotherspoon and Gillies. I think voting without reading the arguments keep things from becoming too much like "group think".

The consensus is still accurate, but seeing the outlier votes and the reasoning behind them is interesting and useful for me.

Ya I went with Smith but reading through the pages I probably wouldn't now. Seems like next round if someone is over 25% I'll be surprised.

neo45 · 07-22-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJones

Ya I went with Smith but reading through the pages I probably wouldn't now. Seems like next round if someone is over 25% I'll be surprised.

Sieloff is over 25% in this round, so he probably will be next round as well

Jebus · 07-22-2014, 02:24 PM

Jumped in to vote Seiloff in spite of Jankowski landslide. Personally think Jankowski is simply not going to live up to his draft status and that Weisbrod got excited about some magic beans. Whereas Sieloff was on such a great developmental track prior to his health issues, I really like his game.

(Very few things in life would make me happier than reflecting on this thought and being proven 100% wrong on the eve of Jankowski's Calder acceptance speech)

The Fonz · 07-22-2014, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by N26

I thought we'd see more votes for Knight at this point. Not winning or anything but definitely thought he'd get more than 6 at this point

Keep in mind Knight turns 24 in a month and a half.

IMHO, I don't even view someone that age as a prospect anymore.

codynw · 07-22-2014, 02:38 PM

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Keep in mind Knight turns 24 in a month and a half.

IMHO, I don't even view someone that age as a prospect anymore.

I could see that if he had been in the AHL since he was 20, but he just finished his first pro season. I'd still say he counts as a prospect.

SebC · 07-22-2014, 02:50 PM

I went "off the board". Kulak! Best statistical progression of any Flames defenseman prospect, and reports from camp were positive.

GreenLantern2814 · 07-22-2014, 02:55 PM

Clearly, this one's Jankowski. I like it, in a sense. All the pressure of 'he's Joe Nieuwendyk' has been obliterated. He's a damn good prospect in one of the deepest farm systems in the league.

So far the vote has seen a nice split between NHL readiness and potential ceilings - Janko is down the list because he's still two years away (likely) from turning pro, and he'll probably spend at least half a season in the AHL after that. His upside remains off the charts.

I also think he'd be higher on the list if he'd been healthy enough to play at development camp.