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Old 03-04-2017, 02:05 PM   #41
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For about 1.5-2 million, why not? Treliving was dumb enough to sign the likes of Bollig and Raymond for more money than that before
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:09 PM   #42
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For about 1.5-2 million, why not? Treliving was dumb enough to sign the likes of Bollig and Raymond for more money than that before
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:15 PM   #43
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He's been way too inconsistent this season. Started off good and then went through 10 game lulls with a few good games in between.

I rather they not sign him but if they do, one year at the very most for $1.5 million a season. I still highly doubt the Flames will sign him but I guess it all depends on what he does in the playoffs.

He does have playoff experience and if he does play great in the playoffs I think they bring him back. As it stands right now, I don't think he comes back.
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:25 PM   #44
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I like him as our 3rd line winger + PP specialist. However Bennett/Versteeg need an upgrade on Brouwer on the other wing if they want to be an effective line, as Bennett is still learning to balance responsibilities and Versteeg isn't much of a cycling guy.

Ideally, We bring in Patrick Sharp to replace Versteeg, and Mangiapane or Jankowski make the jump to the next level, so one of:

Mangiapane-Bennett-Sharp
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would be much more ideal to Versteeg and Brouwer.

Regardless though, it's not easy to fill a right shot PP specialist role. Most of the top PPs usually have elite snipers like Stamkos, Laine, Ovechkin, Giroux, Seguin, etc in that role and Versteeg has done more than admirably for his pay grade. At even strength he has actually been pretty productive too - the cold stretch for he and Bennett will probably start going the other way sooner or later especially if they can find a "Ferland" for their line to play in the corners and create space for them. I'm assuming that is what Treliving has in mind for Curtis Lazar though I'm not especially familiar with the kid's game.
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:27 PM   #45
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pass, his 20-30 points should be able to be replaced easy enough by a player that isn't useless when they are cold
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Old 03-04-2017, 03:01 PM   #46
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No, he's just a stop gap for this season. Flames need to address getting a real right winger they've been missing after trading the best right winger they've ever had. Time to move on and find the right player - no pun intended. Versteeg is too small on that side of the equation and doesn't even have the shot needed. Get someone bigger that fills the void.
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Old 03-04-2017, 03:06 PM   #47
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If the Flames are stuck in a position where they need to re-sign Versteeg, then the Flames off season is a disappointment.

He is a perfectly fine player when you have zero money and zero flexibility. His work this season has been exemplary.

The difference is that this offseason, the team will have money and flexibility. Honestly, I would put greater stock in the Flames attempting to trade for a youngish middle six RW instead of going the UFA route. Think the Hamilton trade but for a RW instead. That would leave Versteeg without a job and would leave the Flames in a greater position to compete for the division and the Stanley Cup.
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Old 03-04-2017, 03:16 PM   #48
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The difference is that this offseason, the team will have money and flexibility.
Nope. Not as is. For starters, Raymond (~1M) will still be on the books. Smid (3.5 LTIR, already being replaced by guys like Versteeg and Bartkowski), Wideman (5.25M), Bollig (450k + 900k already off the cap from being in the minors) and Engelland (2.9M) and the goalies (2.7M + 1.5M) will be gone which adds up to around 12M in functional cap space but:

-They will need to bring back Stone (~3.5 to 4.5 million)
-Sign two goalies including a starter (~6+M)
-re-sign Bennett and probably try to get score some term instead of a short bridge (2.5+ million)
-re-sign Ferland (who could easily be looking at 2.5+ million and well worth it)
-reserve space for re-signing Backlund the year after and Tkachuk the year after that. The Tkachuk contract is the real interesting one because there are no major expirings in the year 2019 to open up cap space, and based on the start to his career we should prepare for a bigger payday than Gaudreau.

Actual flexibility does not exist in this organization without Vegas basically doing us the biggest favor on the planet.
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Old 03-04-2017, 03:26 PM   #49
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I really liked the 5 games where he decided he was a tough guy. Loved it
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:11 PM   #50
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Make that signing again, just not necessarily Chris Versteeg.

Go into camp with a few open spots and if nobody from within grabs it sign a PTO guy. You can make great value signings in October. Brendan Morrison was another good one.

No need to fill bottom 6 positions on July 1st.

Versteeg is having a good season, likely good enough to get a raise and a bit of term. Good for him, but let someone else pay it. The last time the Flames signed a player coming off a cheap "show me" contract they got Mayson Raymond. And really, they still have him.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:18 PM   #51
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-re-sign Ferland (who could easily be looking at 2.5+ million and well worth it)
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I don't believe he has earned that yet. That is more than Bouma got after his big season, which was actually more productive than what Ferland is doing for us now.

I think Ferland gets signed for less than $2M AAV.
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Yeah, at age 24 Bouma scored 16 goals and 34 points. Got himself 2.2/3 year deal. Michael Ferland, 24.. on pace for 15 goals and 24 points. On no planet is that worth 2.5 and "well worth it". It would be a terrible contract.

Bouma's contract is a cautionary tale for Treliving.
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except if he stays on the top line, he is likely to finish with more goals and points than that
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:46 PM   #54
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except if he stays on the top line, he is likely to finish with more goals and points than that
The bar is Bouma's 34 points, Ferland sits at 19. Even staying on the top line you think 15 points in the Flames final 17 game is possible for Ferland?
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If the Flames are stuck in a position where they need to re-sign Versteeg, then the Flames off season is a disappointment.

He is a perfectly fine player when you have zero money and zero flexibility. His work this season has been exemplary.

The difference is that this offseason, the team will have money and flexibility. Honestly, I would put greater stock in the Flames attempting to trade for a youngish middle six RW instead of going the UFA route. Think the Hamilton trade but for a RW instead. That would leave Versteeg without a job and would leave the Flames in a greater position to compete for the division and the Stanley Cup.
I fully expect Lazar to take Versteeg's spot in the lineup on the 3rd line RW next year.
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I fully expect Lazar to take Versteeg's spot in the lineup on the 3rd line RW next year.
Technically Versteeg has been our 3rd line LW. Not sure with Lazar past if he's done anything beyond RW at the NHL level and center prior.
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The bar is Bouma's 34 points, Ferland sits at 19. Even staying on the top line you think 15 points in the Flames final 17 game is possible for Ferland?
goals are more valuable than points, and I think he blows through 15
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He's played well enough to earn a contract somewhere, and it probably won't be the peanuts he's on here. I'd love him back on the same deal he has now, maybe with a couple of years worth of term, but I think he'll get better offers.

In the hypothetical situation that we lose Brouwer to LVGK, it'd be great to have the veteran RW presence of Versteeg again.
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The bar is Bouma's 34 points, Ferland sits at 19. Even staying on the top line you think 15 points in the Flames final 17 game is possible for Ferland?
Not to mention that ideally, Ferland won't be anywhere near the top line in the next few seasons. If he is, it is more a product of depth problems. If he ends up getting paid based on production that he gets while on that line, it will only set up disappointment.

With a set-up guy like Gaudreau, and to a lesser extent Monahan, you could have an inanimate carbon rod putting in goals. We need a winger that can set-up the other 2 the same way.
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Technically Versteeg has been our 3rd line LW. Not sure with Lazar past if he's done anything beyond RW at the NHL level and center prior.
According to Lazar himself (Fan 960 interview), he played all three forward positions during his time in Ottawa. Prides himself on being versatile.

Now, if he wants to be more than a 4th-line player, he'll probably have to pick one position and stick to it – most likely RW. But as a 4th-liner, you can stick him in anywhere and he won't embarrass himself (mono notwithstanding).
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