American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

The left can not accept that Trump won this election because of them, and their own ignorant views. The right isn't what caused this!

Please explain this.

[calumniate]

Lol, I don't care if I'm being 'overly precautious'.. I refuse to take the bait!

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Man, that's some pretty paranoid mind reading you're going for there. When Peter has an agenda, it's pretty blatant... Actually, it's usually explicit. You're talking about a guy who had a whole thread about human rights being inherently Christian.

And I was right!

But yeah, I mean, I've read Leo Strauss, but I'm not really an esoteric poster.

I posted the NRO article because it really demonstrated a solid attempt by a conservative to moderate the increasingly partisan discussion revolving around "Why Trump."

[Flash Walken]

I guess REDVAN is giving up on the idea that he's just confused and looking for answers.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Please explain this.

I don't necessarily agree with the statement, but the derision that is directed at the right, which I myself am totally guilty of too, dismissing them as stupid or all racist, definitely puts people into a defensive shell.

Even myself, while agreeing with their views in general, am sick of seeing celebrities lecture people. as an example. I can see there being a lot of "#### you" votes because of this type of thing.

I think people should accept that a pretty fair portion of the left is pretty non-inclusive when it comes to a right wing viewpoint.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't necessarily agree with the statement, but the derision that is directed at the right, which I myself am totally guilty of too, dismissing them as stupid or all racist, definitely puts people into a defensive shell.

Even myself, while agreeing with their views in general, am sick of seeing celebrities lecture people. I can see there being a lot of "#### you" votes because of this type of thing.

Isn't cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of the epitome of stupidity?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't necessarily agree with the statement, but the derision that is directed at the right, which I myself am totally guilty of too, dismissing them as stupid or all racist, definitely puts people into a defensive shell.

That Jonathan Pie video that briefly went viral right after election day basically summed up the position:

Spoiler!

It's not fair to say that Trump won the election because of the left, as that video argues. But it's fair to say that it's one of many contributing factors.

[Yamer]

Betsy DeVos scrapes by the Senate. Just remember kids: you can be anything you want in life, and #### qualifications.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b02772c4e80681

And don't ever worry about plagiarizing at any time in your application process.

After DeVos' confirmation hearing was limited to one round of questions by Sen. Lamar Alexander, chairman of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Democrats submitted hundreds of questions to the nominee.

In response to a question from Sen. Patty Murray, the top Democrat on the committee, on bullying of LGBT students, DeVos almost directly -- and uncited -- quoted Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta, head of Obama's Civil Rights Division at the Justice Department.

...

"Every child deserves to attend school in a safe, supportive environment where they can learn, thrive, and grow," DeVos writes.

Gupta was credited with nearly the same quotes in a May 2016 press release on ensuring the civil rights of transgender students.

"Every child deserves to attend school in a safe, supportive environment that allows them to thrive and grow," Gupta wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politi...bama-official/

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Isn't cutting off your nose to spite your face kind of the epitome of stupidity?

Well that depends if you legitimately think they're cutting off their nose. I don't really think some midwest Rust Belters would have been impacted differently in either direction regardless of who won this election. So why the hell do they care? They see one party who keeps claiming everything is better, but they don't see it in their lives so what's the reaction. They don't want the same so they vote for the different.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

lol, this thread is like a microcosm of what's happening right now.

[peter12]

Nassim Nicholas Taleb's piece "The Intellectual Yet Idiot" summed it up pretty good for me.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I guess REDVAN is giving up on the idea that he's just confused and looking for answers.

Sorry, I am at work!

I think the left caused this by pushing some centrists to vote Trump. The more militant left is very vocal about "doing the right thing" and "thinking the right thing" and "saying the right thing" and LEGISLATING the right thing.

Centrists, especially the more libertarian ones, would have voted for Trump based on this. And the USA is much more libertarian than Canada, so I do think they had something to do with Trump's election. There is much more in play here than Republicans vs Democrats.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't necessarily agree with the statement, but the derision that is directed at the right, which I myself am totally guilty of too, dismissing them as stupid or all racist, definitely puts people into a defensive shell.

Even myself, while agreeing with their views in general, am sick of seeing celebrities lecture people. as an example. I can see there being a lot of "#### you" votes because of this type of thing.

I think people should accept that a pretty fair portion of the left is pretty non-inclusive when it comes to a right wing viewpoint.

You mean celebrities like Phil Robertson and Sarah Palin?

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Sorry, I am at work!

I think the left caused this by pushing some centrists to vote Trump. The more militant left is very vocal about "doing the right thing" and "thinking the right thing" and "saying the right thing" and LEGISLATING the right thing.

Centrists, especially the more libertarian ones, would have voted for Trump based on this. And the USA is much more libertarian than Canada, so I do think they had something to do with Trump's election. There is much more in play here than Republicans vs Democrats.

As a centrist I agree with this. But I cannot attribute it to why American centrists would have felt the same but it is the impression I am getting.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

You mean celebrities like Phil Robertson and Sarah Palin?

No, he means the entirety of Hollywood.

Why do you always have to be so contrarian when you know what his point is?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Sorry, I am at work!

I think the left caused this by pushing some centrists to vote Trump. The more militant left is very vocal about "doing the right thing" and "thinking the right thing" and "saying the right thing" and LEGISLATING the right thing.

Centrists, especially the more libertarian ones, would have voted for Trump based on this. And the USA is much more libertarian than Canada, so I do think they had something to do with Trump's election. There is much more in play here than Republicans vs Democrats.

Yeah, I can definitely see people clutching on to "build that wall" and "lock her up" after hearing and revolting against "doing the right thing"

[nik-]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

You mean celebrities like Phil Robertson and Sarah Palin?

I'll take your response as acceptance of my point.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

No, he means the entirety of Hollywood.

Why do you always have to be so contrarian when you know what his point is?

ah, I see, I should not contradict his points with his points,
I get it.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Please explain this.

It's probably partially true, though not in a way that flatters Trump or his voters. Just like Nixon's election was largely a negative reaction to the civil rights and peace movements, Trump's popularity (as pathetic as it is relative to virtually any other President) stems mostly from disgruntled uneducated whites reacting to the decades long erosion of their advantageous position within American society.

I expect it'll continue to happen on an even larger scale in the long term as the United States declines as a superpower. I get the impression that Americans think they're entitled to a certain standard of living and superiority over others simply because of where they're born. But they don't seem to realize that maintaining that takes work and they need to be better than other countries at doing what they do if they want to continue like that.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

ah, I see, I should not contradict his points with his points,
I get it.

You had an example of my point from the other side, not sure how this is a contradiction. Nowhere did I say it was exclusive.