EF: (1) Pittsburgh Penguins vs (4) Boston Bruins. (Bruins SWEEP Pittsburgh 4-0!!).

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If that's the purpose, then it failed because Feaster ended up wasting the better party of his day, as well as that of Chiarelli's , by negotiating a deal with Boston in the first place only to have it nixed by Iginla.

Usually teams get a list and then the player signs an official waiver stating that they will go to any of those teams. In this case, they took Iginla at his word and didn't make him sign anything. That was their mistake.

Less than a day of time wasted... Is this what it all boils down to?

Much, much more time would of been wasted if he wheeled and dealed with 29 teams instead of 5

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by mister__big

That's ridiculous.

Everyone knows that the Flames' ownership has as much balls as Lord Varys. Can't give what you don't have.

Varys is not a lord.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Who? I don't think Goalies or Defense are really available at the deadline.

Yeah, I don't know, I'd say anyone because they'd be better than Fleury, but I have the benefit of hindsight to say that. and, of course it isn't Fleurys job to score either which they haven't been doing much of.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I think the purpose is to prevent the GM from wasting his time kicking tires with 25 teams he doesn't want to go to. If deals with Pittsburgh and Boston didn't pan out he would of (more than likely) waived to go to a different team on his list.

Pittsburgh was clearly number one on his list before the Boston offer came in and it continued to stay that way

The list protects both Feaster and Iginla from wasting time. Iginla submits the list knowing that some of the teams he's willing to go to might not be able or willing to make an offer. What is obvious from the outcome is that Iginla's agent did not tell Feaster that if more than one team came back with an offer, that Iginla didn't care which team he'd go to. Feaster obviously couldn't just pick the destination without checking with Iginla first. Iginla then picked the team he preferred. This was undoubtedly part of the initial agreement that started the trade negotiations, or else Iginla couldn't have chosen Pittsburgh. The problem had to originate in the negotiations between Boston and Feaster.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by mister__big

That's ridiculous.

Everyone knows that the Flames' ownership has as much balls as Lord Varys. Can't give what you don't have.

That's kind of true. They knew they had to fire Darryl Sutter but couldn't bring themselves to it even after hiring his replacement. They let it get to the point where the GM and head coach were no longer talking before they finally felt they had no other choice.

Same with Iginla. I don't think they are stupid so they must have known years ago that rebuilding the team was the right thing to do. They were too scared that they would look like villains pushing Iginla out. Too scared that season ticket holders would cancel their tickets. They danced around Iginla like they were on egg shells even happily taking a worse deal for him just to make him happy and not look like bad guys.

Even this whole new arena thing how they are hiding in the shadows while the Oilers do all the dirty work publicly battling for taxpayer money that the Flames will turn around and use as their blueprint kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Feaster takes a lot of crap and deservedly so but this organization is never going to get where teams like the Kings, Hawks, Bruins are until the owners get some stones and start running the team like a business where you have to be a bad guy at times not a some sort of side hobby where they can't make a difficult decision to save their lives and are so worried about their public persona that staying in neutral outweighs moving forward.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

The list protects both Feaster and Iginla from wasting time. Iginla submits the list knowing that some of the teams he's willing to go to might not be able or willing to make an offer. What is obvious from the outcome is that Iginla's agent did not tell Feaster that if more than one team came back with an offer, that Iginla didn't care which team he'd go to. Feaster obviously couldn't just pick the destination without checking with Iginla first. Iginla then picked the team he preferred. This was undoubtedly part of the initial agreement that started the trade negotiations, or else Iginla couldn't have chosen Pittsburgh. The problem had to originate in the negotiations between Boston and Feaster.

People really just need to let it go already. He signed a NTC, it's his right to waive, even to the very last minute if he wanted to. He gave Feaster a list of teams he's willing to go to, but he still has final say in everything. Had Pittsburgh not been interested at all, or lowballed Feaster, I'm sure he would have let Feaster trade him to Boston. As it stood, Flames management probably wanted to honor Iggy's wishes, and the Pens offer wasn't significantly that much worse than the Boston deal (the key being the 1st rounder).

It's not wasting time, because that's Feaster's job as a GM. Would you say all the deals that didn't go through are also a waste of time then?

[gargamel]

Not to derail the thread from this 2 month old debate about Iginla's NTC, but who do you think is in net for Pittsburgh tonight? So far, Bylsma hasn't given any hints one way or the other. I'd go with Vokoun since Fleury didn't show any signs that the time off had helped him, but I'm guessing that Bylsma goes back to Fleury. Either way, I'm sure the decision will be criticized if the Penguins lose tonight.

[Machiavelli]

Vokoun.

[Tinordi]

They'll live and die by Vokoun.

[Azhouse]

As I recall the Iginla to Boston deal was a conditional (on if they could sign him to a contract next year) 1rst rounder. If the condition was not met what was the draft pick then supposed to be? Given his play do you think Pittsburgh (or even Boston) would try to sign him?

I'm not slagging Iggy as he was always money (even though he did pull $70,000,000 out of Calgary). He just seems to have lost a step and some physicality to his play.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

As I recall the Iginla to Boston deal was a conditional (on if they could sign him to a contract next year) 1rst rounder. If the condition was not met what was the draft pick then supposed to be? Given his play do you think Pittsburgh (or even Boston) would try to sign him?

I'm not slagging Iggy as he was always money (even though he did pull $70,000,000 out of Calgary). He just seems to have lost a step and some physicality to his play.

Boston after the fact said there were no conditions, it was a first round pick.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Vokoun.

That might make too much sense.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Boston after the fact said there were no conditions, it was a first round pick.

But that's what they say now. Who knows what was discussed between them and the Flames. Gillis also said he didn't prep an offer sheet to O'Reilly. These guys could be lying through their teeth after the fact.

Anyways, to get back to the discussion on hand, you would have to think Bylsma goes back to Vokoun. Fleury didn't look good when he came in for the 2nd game. I think the team has more confidence in Vokoun.

[MissTeeks]

Hey look, actual series talk:

Dave Molinari‏@MolinariPG9m
Malkin, Iginla, Martin don't appear to be on ice for start of Penguins' game-day skate. All but Martin practiced Tuesday.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

They'll live and die by Vokoun.

They´ll live or die by the way their team shows up and defends. Vokoun hasn´t been great but solid enough. Even Leighton was able to take Philadelphia one game shy of Stanley Cup.

[gargamel]

Apparently Murray was skating as a forward this morning, so I wouldn't read anything into the game-day skate unless Bylsma has completely lost his mind.

[MissTeeks]

Dave Molinari‏@MolinariPG2m

Vokoun is the first Penguins goalie to leave the ice after the game-day skate. Presumably means he starts Game 3.

Josh Yohe‏@JoshYohe_Trib5m

Vokoun confirms he will start

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Hey look, actual series talk:

Dave Molinari‏@MolinariPG9m
Malkin, Iginla, Martin don't appear to be on ice for start of Penguins' game-day skate. All but Martin practiced Tuesday.

what does this mean? they're sitting?

[Roof-Daddy]

Iggy should receive a warm reception tonight, I'd imagine.

[Rudee]

I would say there are many Bruins fans who are now thankful Iggy didn't choose Boston.