Aren't the police notorious for crapping all over any public satisfaction survey they themselves did not conduct, then releasing their own totally official and not doctored or massaged in any way surveys that show almost unanimous boners for the police force?
Not sure. There's the Calgary citizen survey, that has the population scoring the CPS at well over 90%. Which is understandable, I suppose.
If I remember correctly, CPS hand-waved the public poll without really addressing the numbers, and then just dropped their poll on top of it and walked away muttering about how everything is fine.
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If I remember correctly, CPS hand-waved the public poll without really addressing the numbers, and then just dropped their poll on top of it and walked away muttering about how everything is fine.
Interesting.
That mainstreet poll. Was it national, Canadian major cities? or specific to just CPS? I think there needs to be data compare upon.
If I remember correctly, CPS hand-waved the public poll without really addressing the numbers, and then just dropped their poll on top of it and walked away muttering about how everything is fine.
If I recall the rest of the media and most folks reactions to that correctly, there was quite a bit of issue taken with the somewhat meager sample size. The results were a bit eyebrow raising, but with such a tiny poll size, folks wondered just how legitimate/accurate it could be overall.
If I recall the rest of the media and most folks reactions to that correctly, there was quite a bit of issue taken with the somewhat meager sample size. The results were a bit eyebrow raising, but with such a tiny poll size, folks wondered just how legitimate/accurate it could be overall.
It's only a tiny poll if you don't know anything about statistics.
823 sampled falls directly within the noted Confidence Interval reported (+/- 3.41%) for a population of 1,200,000 at a 95% Confidence Level.
Anyone criticizing the sample size is blowing smoke to deflect from the results.
Fabricated? Jeez, c'mon. I appreciate your posts. Know that. Please don't fire out those sorts of accusations. in fairness, my "noble Joe" comment, was a drive-by.
I asked, due to anything lost in communication. As it stands what's written by Joe then is concerning. If he does not personally, & intimately know each complainant, and their specific complaint wholesomely - then his publicly made assertions are assumptions.
Your reply to that, is he has insider information, and you trust him as a long time friend. I appreciate the loyalty, and your trust of him.
It's the insider information that is just too ambiguous for me.
I think the comments being dissected, and discourse resulting is exactly what to expect on a public reader forum.
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Do the City & the City Police, do anonymous employee engagement surveys? They absolutely should.
Fair enough. It just seemed you were asking me to prove the conversation was real. Nothing was omitted outside of a couple other people's irrelevant comments (outside of Joe and Bob).
And yes, I agree the comments and dissection are exactly what to expect, which is why I regret posting it.
Anywho, moving on...I'm quite interested to see what comes of this.
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It's only a tiny poll if you don't know anything about statistics.
823 sampled falls directly within the noted Confidence Interval reported (+/- 3.41%) for a population of 1,200,000 at a 95% Confidence Level.
Anyone criticizing the sample size is blowing smoke to deflect from the results.
Well, a lot of people don't know things about statistics. After the poll came out, I learned a few things about them. I will also note, that the poll size of the CPS poll (~2000) is often criticized as too small. I learned how ~800 (or~2000) can be somewhat representative of a larger body.
I guess, much like anything, if you have something specific 'you' want to say or show, you can find a way to have it said or shown statistically to back you up.
Well, a lot of people don't know things about statistics. After the poll came out, I learned a few things about them. I will also note, that the poll size of the CPS poll (~2000) is often criticized as too small. I learned how ~800 (or~2000) can be somewhat representative of a larger body.
I guess, much like anything, if you have something specific 'you' want to say or show, you can find a way to have it said or shown statistically to back you up.
Again, you're misrepresenting the polling result/methodology to push your own agenda. You can't obfuscate the way polling data works and dismiss it just because it represents something different than your expected outcome.
Additionally, the CPS poll was of 1,000 people
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which, assuming it is legitimate and not handpicked or doctored, is statistically similar in weight to the Mainstreet poll.
That said, I'm always inclined to believe a poll conducted by a neutral party over one conducted by a party invested in claiming public approval. Live surveys as well tend to skew positive over automated surveys.
If I remember correctly, CPS hand-waved the public poll without really addressing the numbers, and then just dropped their poll on top of it and walked away muttering about how everything is fine.
Again, you're misrepresenting the polling result/methodology to push your own agenda. You can't obfuscate the way polling data works and dismiss it just because it represents something different than your expected outcome.
Additionally, the CPS poll was of 1,000 people
I must have misremembered. Or perhaps I was thinking of the internal survey. At any rate, most folks, like me, who don't understand statistics, tend to find fault in the poll size. Of both polls. I have since learned more about stats, and still wonder about the results, but I'm learning.
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which, assuming it is legitimate and not handpicked or doctored, is statistically similar in weight to the Mainstreet poll.
That said, I'm always inclined to believe a poll conducted by a neutral party over one conducted by a party invested in claiming public approval. Live surveys as well tend to skew positive over automated surveys.
Which is what I'm told is the big thing when it comes to stats. How/where/when are the people polled about what they are being polled about. Right after a major news incident? Randomly, out of the blue? What age brackets? How many in that age bracket? It all makes a difference, it all affects the poll, and can be used to 'swing' the poll the way you want, if you are so inclined.
What made me, personally, question that exact poll was that it touted that there is a 48% dissatisfaction rate, but of the 6 questions asked, only one dealt with satisfaction.
"Thinking about the CPS, do you approve or disapprove of the way they are doing their job." Then had the various approve/disapprove options.
How many people actually understand what is involved when it comes to police work? I felt like getting the answer to that question doesn't really prove anything, but what the media's been doing lately. It'd kinda be like asking "Thinking about PsYcNeT's company, do you approve or disapprove of the way they are doing their job." Most people have no clue what's actually involved in a job unless they've done it. So asking if they think that the person doing the job is doing a good job is pretty pointless, since they don't have the reference points available to make a good call on that. "Well, NASA got the guy to the moon and back. Guess they are doing a good job. Oh, wait, a rocket exploded recently, no, no, they aren't doing a good job."
Asking that above question might as well be asking "Thinking about the CPS, what's the news want you to think about them lately?"
What if that original question had been asked/the poll run right after (or up to a week after) the Garland verdict was announced, instead, say. I wonder what a Mainstreet Media poll would have shown then, for instance.
That Mainstreet poll, and the things I learned after it about stats/polling, really made me wonder about the use of polls in the first place.
In this instance in particular, we're comparing two polls with vastly different results, supposedly obtained from the same population, one using live calls (Police Commission) over a 3 month period and one using automated calls (Mainstreet) on the same day. This calls into question the veracity of a statistically unlikely poll (the one showing 94% agreement).
I question as well whether you actually read either poll beyond the news blurb, as both polls contain a breakdown in demographics.
Continuing to play intellectual grabass and re-framing the discussion to your liking is only pushing the commentary further away from "how the hell does anything get a 94% approval rating, ever?"
What if you are casually waving around a non-loaded service revolver while you poll? Not in an intimidating way, just run of the mill horseplay like?
Thats actually just standard poll-conducting behaviour.
I would dare conduct a poll without my service pistol being casually apparent. It sends out and air of authority, as though I'm a pollster not to be trifled with and that I have indeed attended the Stampede recently.
How do people know you're just goofing around or that you mean business, each accordingly, if you're not casually flipping firearms about?
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Now it's annoying to see a guy filming but suck it up Officer. I'm no fan of Crackmacs but there is no need for the passing comment and certainly shining the flashlight at him is over the top. Just needless.
It's small, it's close to nothing but it's tiny stuff like this that don't help anything. You're being filmed, the cameraman is not being instructive, staying back and being respectful. Be a big boy policeman and deal with it.
Good on the officer at the end who asked questions respectfully and dealt with it like a trained professional.
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