Let's Talk about the Calgary Police Service

[MillerTime GFG]

K is there anyone else? Chime in/pile on now as I'd like to respond in one sitting lol.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

K is there anyone else? Chime in/pile on now as I'd like to respond in one sitting lol.

Call this piling on if you like; I just think it's weird that a guy who's job presumably involves some degree of investigating things is willing to make a guarantee in the absence of all the facts. Especially when the fruits of his labor are used to put people in prison.

As an aside, I've worked in nothing but private sector jobs my entire life, and my experience has been the public sector does not have a monopoly on lazy, ####ty employees.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I know quite a few police as well and it seems to be the common theme. The lady that recently resigned from the CPS in front of the media had a horrible reputation for laziness and entitlement which had been talked about quite sometime before all the high profile stories.

Who cares if she was lazy? What's your point? She was bullied and sexually harassed. Doesn't matter if she was Homer Simpson, don't understand the point of your post.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Who cares if she was lazy? What's your point? She was bullied and sexually harassed. Doesn't matter if she was Homer Simpson, don't understand the point of your post.

My point is that there's a common belief amongst the cps members that a lot of the abuse and bullying doesn't exist and is just underperforming staff making up frivolous accusations - especially with the lady who just resigned.

I'm not saying it's true in EVERY circumstance - i believe the story about the officer who had the gun pointed to his head etc - im just trying to point out that there is more than just joe on Facebook who believe this.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Who cares if she was lazy? What's your point? She was bullied and sexually harassed. Doesn't matter if she was Homer Simpson, don't understand the point of your post.

Sorry - I reread my first post and it was incredibly vague. I didn't mention that people believe her accusations are false as retaliation for disciplinary decisions etc.

It did come across as excusing bullying or harassment was ok because she was a poor worker - that wasn't my intent.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I still think if it happened as flaming homer said, a public issue would have been made of it. profiling, and Subban the sole person who got asked for ID and giving him a hard time?

more like someone made an assumption out of nothing. odds are the cops were giving him a hard time about his trade, or something. at worst.

cops do enough stuff on their own. they don't need people making things up.

Sorry didn't see this buried. But I'd feel pretty confident the way I relayed it, it happened. My friend had told me he seen them come in and ID Subban and he was visibly upset. Obviously he can't over hear it but if they ID him I doubt it's just "ribbing" over his trade. And then his server also made mention to him after about their table being upset. It's likely that he either decided to let it slide as being ID at the bar isn't end of the world or that CPS got ahead of it to avoid the optics. It is literally gang suppressions job to go in and profile I'm surprised they don't get more complaints. If your young, ethnic and not dressed in a suit good chance they are going to come I'd you in the bar. And if you have visible tattoos I could almost garuantee it. Anyways sorry to bring up a old issue but thought I'd respond.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MBates

It is funny how some old news finds a way to almost erase itself from the internet.

Almost.



http://www.primetimecrime.com/Recent...CH20040603.htm

Shah's complaint to the Police Commission was dismissed. So the Chief was cleared of any failure to investigate / deal with the matter. And 'horseplay' carried the day.

Re-reading these complaints from more than a decade ago are pretty frustrating because it sure seems like nothing has changed:

http://injusticebusters.org/05/Calga...ice_docs.shtml

That is a pretty frighteningly casual attitude towards what effectively amounts to unsafe gunplay...

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

That is a pretty frighteningly casual attitude towards what effectively amounts to unsafe gunplay...

[Locke]

"We were just horsing around! With weapons!"

[MillerTime GFG]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

While he doesn't specifically have names, he has insider information? Read that aloud, it makes no sense.

Can you give us a screen print of the FB post, and edit out identifying names?

I'm not really going to to respond to any individual posts, outside of this one. Not sure what you're trying to say here cam. That I fabricated this conversation? It's literally copy/pasted from my FB feed. And sure, it is possible to have insider information without having names.

This thread has derailed from what my intention was, which is partly my fault as I should not have posted "Joe's" comments. I should have known they would have been dissected, especially seeing as there are a couple lawyers in here doing so. And to be fair, his comments are certainly dissectable, as he did come across as rash. My intent was to relay the fact that there are whispers within the force that some or all of these complainants may be taking advantage of the system. I should have said that, and left it at that. Instead this has derailed into his comment being picked apart, saying he is part of the problem. Again, which I kind of understand given the context, but what I can tell you about "Joe", is that I know for a fact he is not a part of the problem with his actions, as I have known him for 20+ years and know the type of character he is. Whether that's believed in here doesn't really matter to me.

And MBates - that's horrible what your client went through, and knowing Joe, he would agree.

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[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I'm not really going to to respond to any individual posts, outside of this one. Not sure what you're trying to say here cam. That I fabricated this conversation? It's literally copy/pasted from my FB feed. And sure, it is possible to have insider information without having names.

Fabricated? Jeez, c'mon. I appreciate your posts. Know that. Please don't fire out those sorts of accusations. in fairness, my "noble Joe" comment, was a drive-by.

I asked, due to anything lost in communication. As it stands what's written by Joe then is concerning. If he does not personally, & intimately know each complainant, and their specific complaint wholesomely - then his publicly made assertions are assumptions.

Your reply to that, is he has insider information, and you trust him as a long time friend. I appreciate the loyalty, and your trust of him.

It's the insider information that is just too ambiguous for me.

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

This thread has derailed from what my intention was, which is partly my fault as I should not have posted "Joe's" comments. I should have known they would have been dissected, especially seeing as there are a couple lawyers in here doing so. And to be fair, his comments are certainly dissectable, as he did come across as rash. My intent was to relay the fact that there are whispers within the force that some or all of these complainants may be taking advantage of the system. I should have said that, and left it at that. Instead this has derailed into his comment being picked apart, saying he is part of the problem. Again, which I kind of understand given the context, but what I can tell you about "Joe", is that I know for a fact he is not a part of the problem with his actions, as I have known him for 20+ years and know the type of character he is. Whether that's believed in here doesn't really matter to me.

And MBates - that's horrible what your client went through, and knowing Joe, he would agree.

I think the comments being dissected, and discourse resulting is exactly what to expect on a public reader forum.



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To the collective;
Do the City & the City Police, do anonymous employee engagement surveys? They absolutely should.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

To the collective;
Do the City & the City Police, do anonymous employee engagement surveys? They absolutely should.

Yes

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Yes

Are those results published anywhere?
In the private sector, they can be -- highly engaged workforce, is attractive to investors.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Are those results published anywhere?
In the private sector, they can be -- highly engaged workforce, is attractive to investors.

Hm, I don't think that they are. I know that the results are available to City employees for viewing. But I think I've only ever seen the Citizen Satisfaction ones publically posted.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

And to be fair, his comments are certainly dissectable, as he did come across as rash. My intent was to relay the fact that there are whispers within the force that some or all of these complainants may be taking advantage of the system. I should have said that, and left it at that. Instead this has derailed into his comment being picked apart, saying he is part of the problem. Again, which I kind of understand given the context, but what I can tell you about "Joe", is that I know for a fact he is not a part of the problem with his actions, as I have known him for 20+ years and know the type of character he is. Whether that's believed in here doesn't really matter to me.

as loyal as you are to your friend, what they guy posted came across as more than just "rash". but as you said, the joe discussion is done.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Hm, I don't think that they are. I know that the results are available to City employees for viewing. But I think I've only ever seen the Citizen Satisfaction ones publically posted.

Found this article from 2015, indicating dissatisfaction.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...isfaction.html

Media should FOIP another copy, and present it to the public in whole.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Found this article from 2015, indicating dissatisfaction.
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...isfaction.html

Media should FOIP another copy, and present it to the public in whole.

I'm not sure that would give "the media/Public" the 'answers' they seem to want, though. Look at what is causing the rising dissatisfaction...the exact same things that cause lowering morale and rising dissatisfaction in any workplace.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

I'm not sure that would give "the media/Public" the 'answers' they seem to want, though.

More information, would be beneficial.
Leadership;
Root causes into the pieces within survey results to nail down departments, and types of dissatisfaction.
Work with surveyor for further analysis (different questions), on future surveys.

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Look at what is causing the rising dissatisfaction...the exact same things that cause lowering morale and rising dissatisfaction in any workplace.

Well obviously. It should be resolved all the same.

[PsYcNeT]

Aren't the police notorious for crapping all over any public satisfaction survey they themselves did not conduct, then releasing their own totally official and not doctored or massaged in any way surveys that show almost unanimous boners for the police force?