GMs to discuss size of goalie equipment

[troutman]

I think the biggest problem with NHL entertainment today is over-size goalie equipment. Big goalies like Smith and Luongo can kneel in the butterfly all night, and you aren't going to score when you can't get rebounds and odd man rushes.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...lie-equipment/

With only five NHL teams averaging more than three goals scored per game, general managers are expected to revisit the size of goaltenders’ equipment during their upcoming meetings on March 20, reports ESPN’s Craig Custance.

“It was brought up last year and will be again,” one GM told Custance on Monday.

[Username: Flames]

I'm sick of it. I'm sick of watching Goalies like Smith, Lou, etc be applauded for "saves" they make, which are usually off the chest. They need to dramatically reduce the side of the pads.

[Phanuthier]

Is Garth Snow gonna be there?

[BEANZ]

The goalies all follow the same guidelines, correct? Is this the next excuse for the Flames poor play and more specifically mediocre goaltending to date?

[CedarMeter]

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by BEANZ

The goalies all follow the same guidelines, correct? Is this the next excuse for the Flames poor play and more specifically mediocre goaltending to date?

Each goalkeeper must wear pads that are anatomically proportional and size specific based on the individual physical characteristics of that goalkeeper. The League's Hockey Operations Department will have the complete discretion to determine the maximum height of each goalkeeper's pads based on measurements obtained by the League's Hockey Operations Department, which will include the floor to center of knee and center of knee to pelvis measurements. Each goalkeeper will be given a Limiting Distance Size based on these measurements. The Limiting Distance Size will be the sum of the floor to knee and 55% of the knee to pelvis measurements plus a four inch (4”) allowance for the height of the skate.

The chest and arm protector worn by each goalkeeper must be anatomically proportional and size specific based on the individual physical characteristics of that goalkeeper.
Each goalkeeper must wear pants that are anatomically proportional and size specific based on the individual physical characteristics of that goalkeeper.

In other words the bigger you are the WAYYYYYYY bigger your equipment can be.

Only gloves and blockers are limited to true size and not proportially outlined to body size

[AR_Six]

Basically my understanding of what they're concerned with is the height of the leg pads - they take away the 5 hole when a goalie goes into the butterfly. The chest protector stuff isn't the big issue under discussion.

[Canada 02]

I've never played goal, but I've wondered, when a goalie goes down on his knees, why are his pads not under him like this



but rather flared out on the sides, forming a 12 inch high wall on the ice like this



in the second picture, the goallie's shins are on the ice, not facing the camera, yet the pads are. How does that happen?


Also, look at Ken Dryden's pads vs any goalie today; Dryden's barely comes up to his knees; you can see all of his hockey pants



now the pads are maybe a foot longer; totally takes away the five hole when they drop down in a butterfly

[AR_Six]

I believe that the goaltender's union counter argument to all of this is generally "you can take away our giant pads when you outlaw the sticks that allow guys like Chara to shoot the puck 108 miles an hour."

[Diemenz]

Great question on the Butterfly differences.

Back in the day pads only had protection on the front, in the 80's new "flaps" were added to the inside of the pad allowing the goaltenders added protection to the inside of there legs. These flaps started out super thin to protect goalies who would make saves by turning there legs out to the now super thick inside padding that allows the goalies to go down on them, now it allows goalies to go down into the butterfly while leaving the pads level to the ice.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

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but rather flared out on the sides, forming a 12 inch high wall on the ice like this

*snip*

Just a minor nitpick but the pads can only be 11 inches wide now. Your points still stand though. The pads are way too big.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Username: Flames

I'm sick of it. I'm sick of watching Goalies like Smith, Lou, etc be applauded for "saves" they make, which are usually off the chest. They need to dramatically reduce the side of the pads.

So you're mad because they are good positionally and make the saves look easy? Ok then.

[Bertuzzied]

yay. Didn't Luongo say he was going to retire if the NHL ever did this?

[Stay Golden]

Funny how there is no pics of Luongo the biggest culprit of over-sized flared out pads in the league.
Smith is right there with him too.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Funny how there is no pics of Luongo the biggest culprit of over-sized flared out pads in the league.
Smith is right there with him too.

Roberto
Height 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)
Weight 217 lb (98 kg; 15 st 7 lb)

Jose
Height 5 ft 11 in (1.80 m)
Weight 180 lb (82 kg; 12 st 12 lb)

[EddyBeers]

The material in the new pads makes the butterfly way easier too. The old leather pads would weigh 15 pounds more by the end of the game than at the start, making it very difficult to play a butterfly style.

[Canada 02]

^ the goalie on the right is Jose Theodore

[You Need a Thneed]

Goalies started playing more butterfly when they were allowed to keep adding more and more padding around their legs. No one batted an eye when goalie pads became the items doing the blocking instead of mere protection for the things doing the blocking (the legs)

Goalie Pads should not be able to come as far above the knees as they do. If goalies need more padding on their upper legs, provide that padding in the pants, not in the pads. There's no reason why a goalie should be go down into a butterfly and have the entirety of the bottom of the net covered. A goalies legs should have to be completely together to completely remove the five hole, not a foot apart like they can be now.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Roberto
Height 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)
Weight 217 lb (98 kg; 15 st 7 lb)

Henrik
Height 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m)
Weight 185 lb (84 kg; 13 st 3 lb)

Isnt that Theodore who is 5'11"?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

I believe that the goaltender's union counter argument to all of this is generally "you can take away our giant pads when you outlaw the sticks that allow guys like Chara to shoot the puck 108 miles an hour."

And I would counter with getting them to explain the last goaltender that was actually injured due to velocity of a shot. It's nearly impossible to score along the ice now as goaltenders have the ice covered. Look at that Hawks game were Emery essentially had pad along the ice all night and while you could fault the Flames for not getting enough pucks up high it also goes to show that the pads are just too large and cover too much ice.