So I'm going to come hang out in here. I haven't read the books, but I don't care if things get spoiled.
I'm tired of all the people in the other thread complaining about spoilers all the time. I made a joke about Rob turning into a zombie and I guess his mom is resurrected according to a PM I got (haha).
It was Little Finger that had Joffrey killed, wasn't it? That guy is slimy and has wanted Sansa since she got to Kings Landing.
Yeah that was my bad. I think it's probably best to just ignore spoilers or shall we say informed posting in that other thread.
Littlefinger supplied the poison via Dontos; Olenna did the poisoning. The show happened much as the books in this respect (although in the books the poison wasn't in a necklace but a jeweled hair net).
That is pretty impressive on her (Olenna) part. She is one of my favorite characters in this show.
I'll be interested to see what happens with Tyrion. They seem pretty set on pinning the murder on him, but I don't think they will kill him off. I realize that is stupid to believe because they killed off Ned, but that was needed to move the story along and killing off Tyrion won't progress any story we have seen so far.
Olenna is fantastic in the show. The books are written first person from the perspective of certain characters, but that writing style necessarily de-emphasizes the non-POV characters. The show has improved on the books in the case of a lot of these non-POV characters (Olenna and Tywin being the most obvious ones).
If you don't want to know what happens to Tyrion this season, you should avoid reading much of this thread because there have to be spoilers for that in here somewhere.
I'm not worried about spoilers, that other thread isn't worth the bandwidth. Between people with "guessing" what happens, and people complaining about spoilers it's a waste of time. I don't mind hearing spoilers, but be upfront about it instead of trying to look smart.
My sister has read the books and we were talking about Jon Snow the other day, she told me about the theory behind his lineage and how it's speculated that he isn't actually Ned's son. He was Ned's sisters kid, and she was sleeping around with the Targaryen king (forgot his name)? Stuff like that is neat, and I wouldn't call it a spoiler but everyone in the other thread would get their panties in a wad.
Not the king, the prince - prince Rhaegar. Remember (this has all been mentioned at least tangentially in the show), Robert's Rebellion, the means by which the Targaryens were overthrown, was basically started at a tourney at Harrenhal that was won by Rhaegar. It's customary for the winner to crown a "queen of love and beauty". Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell (the one Oberyn is currently complaining about being murdered at Tywin's order in the show), so you'd assume he'd give his wife his favour. Instead, he gave it to Lyanna Stark, who was supposed to marry Robert Baratheon. Lyanna disappeared a year later and it was assumed that Rhaegar had kidnapped her, triggering the rebellion.
So I guess it could be considered a spoiler in that Jon Snow's heritage could be important at some point. Especially given the mystery surrounding Lyanna's death. Here's a passage about this from the book that would have occurred during the first season when Ned gets attacked and has a fever dream.
Incidentally, that brings up a neat bit of trivia: when Benioff and Weiss pitched Martin about doing his series as a TV show, they talked about the books. Martin's litmus test for whether or not these were the right people to do the show was asking them who they thought Jon Snow's parents were.
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Yea this rumour has been around for a very long time, years before the show ever came around I remember reading an article where Martin all but outright said it was true.. and then he said that he has considered re writing the books because people guessed the direction he was going. He has said it a few times again since then, but also said that would defeat the purpose of writing them as he loves the reader speculation, just hates the internet because it ruins the surprise for many who couldn't figure it out
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I haven't seen last week's episode yet, but if memory serves me correctly, Tyrion deduced that Joffrey was the one that attempted to have Bran murdered while he was in a coma before he died. Now that Joffrey is dead in the show, any idea as to how they will reveal that?
Yea this rumour has been around for a very long time, years before the show ever came around I remember reading an article where Martin all but outright said it was true.. and then he said that he has considered re writing the books because people guessed the direction he was going. He has said it a few times again since then, but also said that would defeat the purpose of writing them as he loves the reader speculation, just hates the internet because it ruins the surprise for many who couldn't figure it out
I actually like knowing the Jon Snow theory. The end of DoD sort of throws that theory for a loop, perhaps the handiwork of one GRRM deliberately going off course?
Not really liking how Samwell is being used on the show, I recall him being one of my favourite characters at this point in the story, but can't wait for his scenes to end. Not having access to Samwells inner thoughts makes his character achingly flat. Pairing him with crasters dull daughter is making for some slow moving television.
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the "guessing" in the other thread is getting great
I almost want to go back to the first few pages and see something random like
"Ned Stark is pushing is luck with the Lannisters in episode 1.... he could be say 8-9 episodes away from... I dono... just throwing out a random guess here.... admitting treason and agreeing to take the black but having the King go back on his word, then he gets his head chopped off in front of his two daughters.
Just a guess but we will see"
"I don't trust that Theon, he seems like the kind of guy to completely turn his back on the Starks and pretend to murder the two young boys"
I haven't seen last week's episode yet, but if memory serves me correctly, Tyrion deduced that Joffrey was the one that attempted to have Bran murdered while he was in a coma before he died. Now that Joffrey is dead in the show, any idea as to how they will reveal that?
IIRC when Tywin gave him Widow's Wail and he made a comment about it not being his first time handling Valyrian Steel, it was a Tyrion chapter and I think there was something noted there about the dagger
the "guessing" in the other thread is getting great
I almost want to go back to the first few pages and see something random like
"Ned Stark is pushing is luck with the Lannisters in episode 1.... he could be say 8-9 episodes away from... I dono... just throwing out a random guess here.... admitting treason and agreeing to take the black but having the King go back on his word, then he gets his head chopped off in front of his two daughters.
Just a guess but we will see"
"I don't trust that Theon, he seems like the kind of guy to completely turn his back on the Starks and pretend to murder the two young boys"
Got to love the theatrics by Daradon trying to convince everyone that he isn't one of these people. Even went so far as to "accidently" misspell "Walder Frey" as "Walter Frey"
I don't even remotely understand the people who complain about people "policing" the thread for spoilers.
The whole "well now you've confirmed it so YOU spoiled it" is just silly, when someone comes in with an elaborate idea that NO show watcher would've possibly seen coming and placed that idea in the minds of everyone who would've never considered it otherwise, I'm sorry, THAT's the spoiler.
Just because you don't know you've read a spoiler doesn't mean it's not a spoiler. But whatever I guess, fair game to let guys like Daradon and Ryz ruin the show right in front of everyone's faces.
The funny thing with Daradon is he's even talked about how the House of the Undying and Jon and Ygritte's scenes "probably" differed in the books and underwhelmed on televison. It's so obvious he knows more than he's pretending. At the very least he's had discussions with someone who read the book or seen some wiki's.
Every forum I visit, there's a ongoing beef between show watchers and book readers of this show.
I don't really understand how you can have an account at a forum you frequent regularly and say you don't have time or patience for the books. It's contradictory. Your brain and imagination is a better for interpreting this story than what the show gives you, IMO.
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If you don't want to read the books, are illiterate, hate reading, whatever that's fine. Just know that when you're on the internet reading and talking about GoT you're beyond the wall and you put yourself there.
I'm not saying it's right. You should be able to discuss things without spoilers. But this isn't Valhalla, this is the freaking internet, the spawing ground of goatse and Rick Roll. Why on earth would you think you'd be safe and put your trust in something where the stakes are so low and the troll satisfying factor is so high?
Actually I do know someone from my work who watched S1 and was into it so he started reading the books. But then he decided that while the show was good, the books were too geeky for him to continue with.
Malcolm's post reminds me, did anyone read AFFC/ADWD as one book? http://boiledleather.com/post/259025...ng-order-for-a
I wasn't really drawn into AFFC at all until I started the dual-read at which point it became about ten times better. Which makes sense considering they were supposed to be one book originally.
