Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Ozy_Flame]

Oh wow, didn't expect this one

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772624368599802025

[Canadianman]

It's inevitable.


Before the race was announced, there were about 15,000 members of the Alberta NDP.


Nenshi's website has over 6,000 video endorsements from Albertans.


Personally, I know of 7 people who have purchased ANDP memberships since his announcement (all of them to vote for him). None of them made a video endorsement (neither did I). If 6,000 people made video endorsements, I suspect the number of people who bought memberships to vote for him is well over 20,000 at this point.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

In another move no one asked for, the UCP is changing the way provincial organizations such as school boards and Health Services, hold and sell land/buildings,etc, giving direct control to the province when divesting of these assets. With the partition of AHS expect more grift to the UCP donors, less accountability, and attempts to kill the paper trail on where/who public assets get sold to.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...sets-1.7151389

From the article.
"Guthrie said the province's goal is to make it easier to understand the full inventory of government-owned property and more readily convert available real estate to "priority" uses — for example, affordable housing or addictions recovery centres."
Sure, OK Minister Guthrie. Laughable.

[malcolmk14]

If there were 15,000 members before, Pancholi said in the video that Nenshi brought "tens of thousands" of Albertans to the party and that the size of the membership had more than doubled. I am guessing we are close to 40,000 ANDP members now.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

If there were 15,000 members before, Pancholi said in the video that Nenshi brought "tens of thousands" of Albertans to the party and that the size of the membership had more than doubled. I am guessing we are close to 40,000 ANDP members now.

Doubling and more sounds correct:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772628627265380655

[Fuzz]

This is where you just have to trust the government won't take those "spare" lands and sell them to friendly developers for a song. So, uh, you trust these muppets?

[FlameOn]

Statscan releases their annual labour market report comparing wages/salaries between different provinces and for the 3rd straight year. Under the UCP, Alberta has seen compensation rates grow at a slower rate than other provinces. Worse yet, factoring inflation Albertan's have on average experienced an effective pay cut of 5% while BC, QC, and ON all had double digit wage growth in the same period.



https://albertaworker.ca/news/albert...cut-in-canada/
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...-eng.htm?HPA=1

[Looch City]

Is anyone surprised? #1 province for pandering to billion dollar corps. Ma profits! But you'll drive away business, it'll be the end of Alberta as we know it!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Statscan releases their annual labour market report comparing wages/salaries between different provinces and for the 3rd straight year. Under the UCP, Alberta has seen compensation rates grow at a slower rate than other provinces. Worse yet, factoring inflation Albertan's have on average experienced an effective pay cut of 5% while BC, QC, and ON all had double digit wage growth in the same period.



https://albertaworker.ca/news/albert...cut-in-canada/
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...-eng.htm?HPA=1

[BlackArcher101]

The Alberta Advantage strikes again.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

If there were 15,000 members before, Pancholi said in the video that Nenshi brought "tens of thousands" of Albertans to the party and that the size of the membership had more than doubled. I am guessing we are close to 40,000 ANDP members now.

The ~15 - 16,000 number included members as of last year, I believe, and many of those had yet to purchase their membership for 2024. I haven't heard if the doubling of memberships Rakhi refers to is a doubling of 16,000 or a doubling of those members who had already purchased their 2024 memberships. I suspect it is the latter from my somewhat inside view.

[Torture]

Pancholi was the only candidate that I was considering outside of Nenshi. Makes my preference pretty easy now!

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Worse yet, factoring inflation Albertan's have on average experienced an effective pay cut of 5% while BC, QC, and ON all had double digit wage growth in the same period.

Makes sense to me. Alberta wages were higher than probably necessary for a long time so slower growth would line up with a more mobile workforce these days. BC wages for example were surprisingly low in some professional fields with their high cost of living so it's about time they caught up.

[Ozy_Flame]

Stagnating wages, less purchasing power, extremely high utility and insurance rates, wild gas prices, rapidly inflating home prices . . .

But then you realize there's no PST and you can laugh at the pathetic provinces that have to enslave their people with communism. No freedom. Alberta Advantage!

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Makes sense to me. Alberta wages were higher than probably necessary for a long time so slower growth would line up with a more mobile workforce these days. BC wages for example were surprisingly low in some professional fields with their high cost of living so it's about time they caught up.

+1

I think some people might be forgetting how far out front Alberta was in 2014. It's been a decade and the O&G sector is still a shadow of its former self and the huge, outsized wages that move the needle have yet to return in a meaningful way (if ever). You don't need to look any further than the housing market... Many properties have been stagnant and are still below their 2014 levels, only increasing now due to inter-provincial migration and not because of the strength of the provincial government.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by you&me

+1

I think some people might be forgetting how far out front Alberta was in 2014. It's been a decade and the O&G sector is still a shadow of its former self and the huge, outsized wages that move the needle have yet to return in a meaningful way (if ever). You don't need to look any further than the housing market... Many properties have been stagnant and are still below their 2014 levels, only increasing now due to inter-provincial migration and not because of the strength of the provincial government.

I mean, Alberta previously had much higher wages/wage growth than other provinces because of demand for labour from oil and gas.

Now that demand is lower and the wage growth is lower (partially because of the higher base).

I don't think it's fair to say the PCs caused the oil boom (that would be geology) nor is it fair to say the UCP caused the current situation.

There are plenty of things you can blame them for, I wouldn't say that's high on the list.

Edited to add: tl;dr I agree with you&me...

[you&me]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, Alberta previously had much higher wages/wage growth than other provinces because of demand for labour from oil and gas.

Now that demand is lower and the wage growth is lower (partially because of the higher base).

I don't think it's fair to say the PCs caused the oil boom (that would be geology) nor is it fair to say the UCP caused the current situation.

There are plenty of things you can blame them for, I wouldn't say that's high on the list.

My post didn't mean to imply any credit (one way or the other) to any government; only that looking at growth rates - from 2014, no less! - doesn't paint the picture some seem to think it does.

[Fuzz]

I'm sure shutting down an entire industry and leaving it with uncertainty going forward hasn't done any favours to the job market. Turning down federal transition funding for O&G workers probably hasn't helped, either. Or chasing away medical workers.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Makes sense to me. Alberta wages were higher than probably necessary for a long time so slower growth would line up with a more mobile workforce these days. BC wages for example were surprisingly low in some professional fields with their high cost of living so it's about time they caught up.

Sort of reinforces how dumb it would be to pull out of the CPP.

[TorqueDog]

Anyone else get the "Are you happy that the United Conservative Caucus is fighting bad economic policies from the NDP-Trudeau Alliance and standing-up for Alberta?" text with a video of Danielle's stupid face on it?

Originally Posted by Torture

Pancholi was the only candidate that I was considering outside of Nenshi. Makes my preference pretty easy now!

Likewise, Pancholi was who I was going to vote for until Nenshi came into the picture, at which point it was an easy choice to pick him.