[News] MAF has waived his NMC for the expansion draft

[Caged Great]

I think with Treliving's commentaries on Parsons playing in the ECHL, one would have to figure that Gillies is going to have to be the backup next year. Rittich and McDonald split time in the AHL.

Getting Mason for the starting role would work with Gillies playing 20-30 games as the backup.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by opendoor

And this applies for all transactions. Players who have an active NMC or NTC and waive it for a specific transaction will still retain the clause in their contract going forward. The only time it can be voided is when a player gets traded prior to his clause taking effect.

Not sure if this is 100% true, I have heard conflicting reports about this.

for example CapFriendly's FAQ:
https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#m-nmc

What is a No-Move Clause (NMC)?
...
The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers

• This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
• If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified

If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause

What is a No-Trade Clause (NTC)?
...
The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers

• This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
• If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified

If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause

What is a Limited, or Modified No-Trade Clause (M-NTC)?
...
The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers

• This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
• If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified

If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Interesting decision by Fleury. I thought he would make more money being bought out and then signing a long term deal where ever he wanted.

Maybe he's gambling that Vegas doesn't pick him and he can try for one more cup with the Pens?

Vegas doesn't have a limit on how many goalies they can pick up... unless there's a forward or Dman that has more upside for LV on the pens unprotected list, I don't know why they wouldn't pick him even if its just with the intent to trade him later...

more likely is that MAF is just the kind of guy that didn't want to hold the organization for ransom, and elected to waive his NMC...

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Vegas doesn't have a limit on how many goalies they can pick up... unless there's a forward or Dman that has more upside for LV on the pens unprotected list, I don't know why they wouldn't pick him even if its just with the intent to trade him later...

more likely is that MAF is just the kind of guy that didn't want to hold the organization for ransom, and elected to waive his NMC...

Technically there is a limit as Vegas must take a minimum of 14 forwards and 9 defencemen. This means they could take a maximum 7 goalies.

I agree it is likely MAF is just being respectful to an organisation that has treated him well and Vegas will likely take him as he has value both as a starter or in a trade. MAF still has a NMC however and only one year left on this contract so maybe Vegas thinks they will be better off long term taking someone else on the Penguins?

[sureLoss]

^ FWIW Friedman said this morning he believes the Pens and Knights have made a deal where Fleury will be the Knights' pick from the Pens in the expansion draft.

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

^ FWIW Friedman said this morning he believes the Pens and Knights have made a deal where Fleury will be the Knights' pick from the Pens in the expansion draft.

Thanks! If that is the case the Pens must be worried about losing a forward or defenceman.

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Oooo, a Mason/Nilsson pairing. I'm down.

Not sure about that one. He has Oiler perpetual rebuild stink on him.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

Vegas doesn't have a limit on how many goalies they can pick up... unless there's a forward or Dman that has more upside for LV on the pens unprotected list, I don't know why they wouldn't pick him even if its just with the intent to trade him later...

more likely is that MAF is just the kind of guy that didn't want to hold the organization for ransom, and elected to waive his NMC...

So Vegas can pick up a goalie from every team? Or even 10 teams?

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So Vegas can pick up a goalie from every team? Or even 10 teams?

Limit of 7 goalies based on the minimum forward and defence requirements.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

^ FWIW Friedman said this morning he believes the Pens and Knights have made a deal where Fleury will be the Knights' pick from the Pens in the expansion draft.

Wow, the Pens are just cleaning up. Do they get credit for the Knights' first Cup too?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow, the Pens are just cleaning up. Do they get credit for the Knights' first Cup too?

Pens may be giving up assets for LV to take Fleury.....

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I am glad that Fleury is not wanting to come to Calgary. I firmly believe that if the Penguins had a competent starter this past decade that they would have 6 or 7 cups since 2008. So many years the Penguins got tossed in round one or two because of him.

Worst goalie with three cups that I can remember.

The Pens were saddled with some awful coaching the entire team had no composure at all it was not just Fleury. I'm not saying Fleury is the best goalie around but he is not nearly as bad as you make him out to be. Look at what he was able to do under Sullivan. It's actually quite funny you think the Pens would have so many Cups just by changing their goaltender. Even Crosby struggled mightily for awhile, think about that.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

He was basically league average, more or less, in performance, while being above league average in starts. Which is an underrated aspect of goalie quality - your overall team save percentage is going to be higer if you can play your backup less. But both of those things are likely to trail off towards the end of his career now; there's a pretty good bet that he won't be much better than replacement level going forward.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

^ FWIW Friedman said this morning he believes the Pens and Knights have made a deal where Fleury will be the Knights' pick from the Pens in the expansion draft.

Does any deal that involves assets changing hands have to eventually be reported?
I expect so.

[dammage79]

Everything I presume will not be announced until the 21st.

[Flash Walken]

Forget Fleury, I'm holding out for Murray.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Not sure about that one. He has Oiler perpetual rebuild stink on him.

Meh, Schultz and Dubnyk turned out just fine.and I've always liked Nilsson

[Toonage]

I would imagine that Treliving and company are busy this week trying to work out something with Pittsburgh prior to the expansion draft?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Meh, Schultz and Dubnyk turned out just fine.and I've always liked Nilsson

Yeap. He seems to be steadily improving and even though he's 27 he hasn't had a ton of games in NA yet. Plus he's massive and athletic, so not just a puck blocker due to his size.

Could be a late bloomer.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I would imagine that Treliving and company are busy this week trying to work out something with Pittsburgh prior to the expansion draft?

I hope not.