04-25-2024, 03:33 PM
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#1901
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by browntrout
There are some very optimistic fans here, if the Dallas model is so successful, why aren't more teams doing it?
I would be very interested in a poll " which year will the flames make the playoffs again"
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For me atleast there's what I think they should do verse what I think they will actually do.
They will try the Dallas model. I don't think it will be successful. But that's probably what they're trying to do.
Will be fascinating how they approach next season since there is even more incentive with the condtinal pick to not end up in the lower middle.
It should really force them to choose a path.
Last edited by traptor; 04-25-2024 at 04:03 PM.
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04-25-2024, 03:53 PM
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#1902
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
For me atleast there's what I think they should do verse what I think they will actually do.
They will try the Dallas model. I don't think it will be successful. But that's probably what they're trying to do.
Will be fascinating how they approach next season since their is even more incentive with the condtinal pick to not end up in the lower middle.
It should really force them to choose a path.
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I think the path could be chosen for them.
Backs may want to go to a cup winner.
Kadri may not want to rebuild.
Anderson could be up in the air.
Eat bread seems to be on his way out.
Markstrom seems to be packing his bags.
As well as kuzmenko and sharangovich.
We could still see a lot of players turned over even next year.
Myself love Backs but don’t want to extend him nor lose him for nothing.
Would like to re sign sharangovich, kuzmenko hard to say where he stands as far as career here, but put a good center between them you may have something.
One thing only will be a for sure next year and that will be unpredictable seas.
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04-25-2024, 04:21 PM
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#1903
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Fan69
I think the path could be chosen for them.
Backs may want to go to a cup winner.
Kadri may not want to rebuild.
Anderson could be up in the air.
Eat bread seems to be on his way out.
Markstrom seems to be packing his bags.
As well as kuzmenko and sharangovich.
We could still see a lot of players turned over even next year.
Myself love Backs but don’t want to extend him nor lose him for nothing.
Would like to re sign sharangovich, kuzmenko hard to say where he stands as far as career here, but put a good center between them you may have something.
One thing only will be a for sure next year and that will be unpredictable seas.
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Yeah forsure. The scary part though is they have the assets in picks and cap space to haphazardly fill those holes if they really want to.
Hearing the connie interview again he says the dallas model but understands that they hit it massive on the one draft and it might take some time here.
I think it just comes down to they'll never intentionally bottom out to get a top draft pick. They're willing to end up with later picks while keeping the team somewhat competitive.
Theyll wait until players emerge from those later picks. If they get a lottery draft then great.
Feels like they're fine with being somewhere in the middle if that's how it works out but they're not okay with intentionally bottoming out even if it takes longer.
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04-26-2024, 01:40 PM
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#1904
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#1 Goaltender
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If Tanev really does like it here and he wants to chase a cup, I don't see it as out of the realm of possibility that he sees signing one-year contract(s) in Calgary as his best move. Spends most of the year in his preferred locale and then gets moved for two to four months to one of the real contenders (may be impacted by how much trade protection he negotiates). There are a lot of contenders at the beginning of each season that become pretenders throughout the season. Getting traded to real contenders at the TDL may result in higher odds of getting that cup vs. signing a multi-year deal with, for example, an Ottawa.
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04-26-2024, 02:39 PM
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#1905
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
For me atleast there's what I think they should do verse what I think they will actually do.
They will try the Dallas model. I don't think it will be successful. But that's probably what they're trying to do.
Will be fascinating how they approach next season since there is even more incentive with the condtinal pick to not end up in the lower middle.
It should really force them to choose a path.
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The Flames were basically the worst team in the league after the TDL.
It would be a miracle for them to be middle of the pack next year.
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04-26-2024, 02:47 PM
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#1906
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D as in David
If Tanev really does like it here and he wants to chase a cup, I don't see it as out of the realm of possibility that he sees signing one-year contract(s) in Calgary as his best move. Spends most of the year in his preferred locale and then gets moved for two to four months to one of the real contenders (may be impacted by how much trade protection he negotiates). There are a lot of contenders at the beginning of each season that become pretenders throughout the season. Getting traded to real contenders at the TDL may result in higher odds of getting that cup vs. signing a multi-year deal with, for example, an Ottawa.
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If Tanev's wife stayed behind in Calgary, it would make even more sense. No move in the off season.
It would be a motivator for him to sign a salary that's attractive in a trade as well.
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04-26-2024, 02:51 PM
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#1907
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shazam
It would be a miracle for them to be middle of the pack next year.
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I don't think it would take a miracle... but it would be unwise because being middle of the pack is exactly where they should avoid being. The aim should be greatness not middle-of-the-packness.
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04-27-2024, 10:41 PM
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#1908
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First Line Centre
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Probably too soon to speculate on this but it’s the leafs so why not… it looks like the leafs are on their way to another series loss to Boston and it has been speculated that one of the “core four” would have to go if this happens again. And when you look at how fans, media and even the players themselves are reacting… it seems like Marner is the one they might kick out.
To be clear I don’t think the flames should or would be after him… don’t think that’s what the flames need or want at this point and I don’t think Conroy would be interested anyways. But I’m wondering what a Nylander trade with other teams would look like?
He’s an elite playmaker - likely one of the top 5 in the league. He plays well defensively including on the penalty kill. He has a massive cap hit ($10.9 million AAV) but he is a UFA after next season. Not sure if it’s been blown out of proportion because it’s the leafs but he has cemented a terrible reputation in the playoffs after years of poor performances.
It’s likely the leafs are not looking to retain salary since the whole idea would be to trade Marner so they can use the money on other players… either in free agency or on players acquired in the trade.
Who fits as a trade partner for Marner and what do they get back for him? I struggle to evaluate his return. Highly skilled player that is currently heavily criticized - some of which is for legitimate reasons.
Last edited by stemit14; 04-27-2024 at 10:43 PM.
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04-27-2024, 10:52 PM
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#1909
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damn onions
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Tanev and the Flames should cut an unwritten deal where he agrees to constant 1 year deals and they keep trading him for futures every year. Agree / promise him you’ll do it for like 3-4 years or something.
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04-27-2024, 11:19 PM
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#1911
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Scoring Winger
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Don't think the Leafs would want to keep him east but I could see habs and flyers being interested.
Could see Nashville, Blues, Kraken, Calgary and Utah in the West being interested, with Nashville and Utah making the most sense to me.
Nashville has cap space, could package one of saros/askarov and has some extra draft capital.
Utah has a ton of draft capital and probably wants to make a splash.
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04-27-2024, 11:21 PM
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#1912
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by traptor
Don't think the Leafs would want to keep him east but I could see habs and flyers being interested.
Could see Nashville, Blues, Kraken, Calgary and Utah in the West being interested, with Nashville and Utah making the most sense to me.
Nashville has cap space, could package one of saros/askarov and has some extra draft capital.
Utah has a ton of draft capital and probably wants to make a splash.
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I'm so excited for what Utah does this summer. I think they'll make some huge splashes. It's a perfect storm of cap space, prospect talent, draft picks and a new fan base.
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04-27-2024, 11:31 PM
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#1913
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
Don't think the Leafs would want to keep him east but I could see habs and flyers being interested.
Could see Nashville, Blues, Kraken, Calgary and Utah in the West being interested, with Nashville and Utah making the most sense to me.
Nashville has cap space, could package one of saros/askarov and has some extra draft capital.
Utah has a ton of draft capital and probably wants to make a splash.
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Those are really good options. Not sure about Calgary but you never know. I could see Stamkos having an effect on the leafs decision. If they knew he would sign with them this summer, they could just go for draft picks/prospects in a Marner trade. Look at is as making room on their salary cap to sign Stamkos for 4 years at say $7 million AAV while also acquiring a 1st round pick + prospects.
Utah, Nashville and Seattle would make a lot of sense for a move like that IMO (pick/ prospects for Marner).
If LA had not used their trade capital and cap space on Dubois last year, I would say they would have been a great fit for the leafs. That exact package for Dubois would have been exactly what the leafs would want right now… and I expect both LA and Toronto would be happier right now with that. Marner too maybe.
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