This is just horrible news, and I support the women in any process they need to find closure.
Bill Cosby was a comic hero for many years, and he was an activist as well as a comedian and he will now be known for his sins, and, if guilty (which it looks like he is), all networks should pull any re-runs of his work. It's already happened in some instances.
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"A new NBC show, scheduled for summer or autumn 2015, created by Mike O'Malley and Mike Sikowitz and to have been produced by The Cosby Show'sTom Werner, was set to feature Cosby as Jonathan Franklin, the patriarch of a multi-generational family.[23] On November 19, 2014, NBC scrapped Cosby's new show after accusations that he sexually assaulted women resurfaced.[24] On the same day, TV Land announced in November that it was pulling reruns of The Cosby Show from its schedule and also removed clips of the show from its website.[25]
Two days earlier, on November 17, 2014, Netflix postponed a Cosby stand-up comedy special after accusations surfaced that the comedian had sexually assaulted Janice Dickinson in 1982.[26]"
I never understood the mentality of people who feel the need to harm others in such a way. I feel horrible for the women and the actors who have worked with him because those rerun checks are going to stop coming.
One thing about all these stories is that they've mostly been drugged. I imagine it is tough in a lot of these cases for the women to know exactly what happened to them and makes it even tougher to go forward.
It also moves him well beyond the "he doesn't know how to take no for an answer" serial date rapist to the pre mediated sexual predator.
And to the comments above, when your accusers number well into the double digits, and many of the accusers seem to be credible people who have no obvious reason to go after a quick buck, it seems very tough to give him any benefit of doubt whatsoever.
Also relevant is that his MO and victim selection both seem calculated in such a way to avoid prosecution.
To be clear, I think Cosby is guilty. I don't give him the benefit of the doubt, so my comment wasn't really about him and this issue specifically. Its more the idea that someone could claim these things 30-40 years later and the accused has no real defence other than to say they didn't do it. How can they possibly prove otherwise?
To be clear, I think Cosby is guilty. I don't give him the benefit of the doubt, so my comment wasn't really about him and this issue specifically. Its more the idea that someone could claim these things 30-40 years later and the accused has no real defence other than to say they didn't do it. How can they possibly prove otherwise?
Not having a quiet history of similar allegations dogging them for the last 30 years is a good start.
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One thing about all these stories is that they've mostly been drugged. I imagine it is tough in a lot of these cases for the women to know exactly what happened to them and makes it even tougher to go forward.
It also moves him well beyond the "he doesn't know how to take no for an answer" serial date rapist to the pre mediated sexual predator.
And to the comments above, when your accusers number well into the double digits, and many of the accusers seem to be credible people who have no obvious reason to go after a quick buck, it seems very tough to give him any benefit of doubt whatsoever.
Also relevant is that his MO and victim selection both seem calculated in such a way to avoid prosecution.
Probably unfairly singling this out, but I don't understand these kinds of comments. Are you saying Bill Cosby should not get a fair trial or be provided the procedural rights defendants have because he already appears to be guilty?
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Probably unfairly singling this out, but I don't understand these kinds of comments. Are you saying Bill Cosby should not get a fair trial or be provided the procedural rights defendants have because he already appears to be guilty?
Does it matter? He's not going to see a courtroom over this. It's been hashed out repeatedly.
Does it matter? He's not going to see a courtroom over this. It's been hashed out repeatedly.
Huh? Does what matter? That I'm trying to understand people's views on the substance of a discussion? Or that particular view is inconsequential despite being relevant to the substance of the discussion?
Cosby may not face charges (though I don't see how anyone can definitively predict the future) but I thought the substance of the discussion changed in the last 10 or so posts prior to the legal procedural concerns in bringing claims after many years.
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Huh? Does what matter? That I'm trying to understand people's views on the substance of a discussion? Or that particular view is inconsequential despite being relevant to the substance of the discussion?
Cosby may not face charges (though I don't see how anyone can definitively predict the future) but I thought the substance of the discussion changed in the last 10 or so posts prior to the legal procedural concerns in bringing claims after many years.
It hadn't.
Most people here realize that Cosby is only going to be tried in a court of public opinion, and nfotius post addresses that directly.
At least, I'd hope that physiologically a 77 year old man would find himself unable to drug and rape women recently enough to have it brought to court.
Most people here realize that Cosby is only going to be tried in a court of public opinion, and nfotius post addresses that directly.
At least, I'd hope that physiologically a 77 year old man would find himself unable to drug and rape women recently enough to have it brought to court.
Incorrect. CaptainCrunch, AcGold, Slava, and myself were all explicitly commenting on the legal process. I can't speak for nfotiu but i took nfotiu's response to 'the comments above' to be responding to those posts, hence my question.
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Incorrect. CaptainCrunch, AcGold, Slava, and myself were all explicitly commenting on the legal process. I can't speak for nfotiu but i took nfotiu's response to 'the comments above' to be responding to those posts, hence my question.
All of the posts except for maybe CaptainCrunch were either implicitly or explicitly talking about the court of public opinion. I'm not sure what you are getting at any way. If he is going to be sent to jail, then yes, I am okay with them giving him a trial.
Fair enough. I guess we disagree as to the direction of those posts, including my own. I thought in that context you were suggesting he didn't merit a presumption of innocence. I've heard a lot of that "just throw him in jail" rhetoric lately, including in relation to Ghomeshi, and I've never really understood it. It's one thing to have an opinion on the matter based on what the media reports, but it's another to say just get rid of the process because the allegations are so bad.
Anyway, my mistake - that's not what you were suggesting. As I said at the outset, I was probably unfairly singling out that comment any way, so serves me right!
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A model who claims Bill Cosby drugged and sexually abused her at the Playboy Mansion met with Los Angeles police on Wednesday to pursue criminal charges against the comedian over the 2008 incident.
An attorney for Chloe Goins said after the meeting that his client is the first woman accusing Cosby of sexual misconduct whose case may fall within the statute of limitations. More than 15 women have accused Cosby of sexual misconduct, including several who say the comedian drugged and raped them in incidents dating back at least four decades.
Interesting if in fact this is with in the limitation period to bring charges.....
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So he's given "an interview" on his side. Based off the clip it's going to be waste of time. Transcript of some of the "questions"
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Are you prepared for the backlash if a young person comes up to you and says, "my mom says you've done some bad things"? How will you answer them? Did you do it, are you guilty? Are the allegations true?
I'm not sure that they will come like that. I think many of them say, well, you're a hypocrite. You say one thing, you say the other. My point is okay, listen to me carefully. I'm telling you where the road is out. Now, you want to go here, or you want to be concerned about who's giving you the message?
Are you concerned at all, given the allegations, that that may overshadow your message?
I have been in this business 52 years and—I will—I've never seen anything like this. And reality is the situation. And I—I can't speak.
Some of your biggest supporters have said that they're worried about your legacy. What would you like your legacy to be?
I really know about what I'm going to do tomorrow. I have a ton of ideas to put on television. About people and their love for each other.
My point is okay, listen to me carefully. I'm telling you where the road is out. Now, you want to go here, or you want to be concerned about who's giving you the message?
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I have a ton of ideas to put on television. About people and their love for each other.
This is exactly the kind of complete jarbled nonsense I would have expected.
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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Bill Cosby testified in 2005 that he got Quaaludes with the intent of giving them to young women he wanted to have sex with, and he admitted giving the sedative to at least one woman and "other people," according to documents obtained Monday by The Associated Press.
The AP had gone to court to compel the release of the documents; Cosby's lawyers had objected on the grounds that it would embarrass their client.
Video in link shows document where Crosby admits he obtained drugs for sex.
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