Predict the 2016/2017 Flames Starting Lineup

[stemit14]

Gaudreau-Monahan-ferland
Shinkaruk-Bennett-iginla
Frolik-backlund-colborne
Bouma-stajan-Hathaway

Giordano-Brodie
Jokipakka-Hamilton
Nakladal-Engelland

Reimer
Ortio

Wideman traded for iginla... Iggy improves the powerplay and moves into the top line RW position at times during the season. Puts up 25 goals and 25 assists on the year.

Ferland has his first 20 goal season after having zero puck luck last year despite plenty of really good games.

Bollig clears waivers and is then sent down to the AHL.

First call up on forward after a great camp is poirier... Sticks with the team after that call up. Puts up 15+ goals and 25+ assists.

Reimer signed for 4 years @ $4.0 million AAV. Puts up a .920 save percentage in first season as a flame.




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[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Gaudreau-Monahan-ferland
Shinkaruk-Bennett-iginla
Frolik-backlund-colborne
Bouma-stajan-Hathaway

Giordano-Brodie
Jokipakka-Hamilton
Nakladal-Engelland

Reimer
Ortio

Wideman traded for iginla... Iggy improves the powerplay and moves into the top line RW position at times during the season. Puts up 25 goals and 25 assists on the year.

Ferland has his first 20 goal season after having zero puck luck last year despite plenty of really good games.

Bollig clears waivers and is then sent down to the AHL.

First call up on forward after a great camp is poirier... Sticks with the team after that call up. Puts up 15+ goals and 25+ assists.

Reimer signed for 4 years @ $4.0 million AAV. Puts up a .920 save percentage in first season as a flame.

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Just ONE of those predictions, alone, would be outlandish. But 4 in one post?

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Just ONE of those predictions, alone, would be outlandish. But 4 in one post?

Lol. I'm an optimist I guess. One could have said the same thing about gio, Hamilton, Brodie, gaudreau, Monahan, backlund, and colborne all having their most productive season this past year.

[MarkGio]

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

It works the other way too..

1) What is another team drafted Johnny before us?
2) What if Oilers drafted Bennett?
3) What if TJ Brodie didn't fall to us in the 4th round?
4) What if Gio stayed in Russia?

and so on. Yea we have had some bad luck recently but there has also been a lot of good and that's why I think we have a core we can build around. It's easy to get down but there are a lot of positives as well

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

I think you're greedy or impatient.

1) What if Monahan was another Tzakchuk/Fata?
2) What if Flames decided to go with Del Colle instead of Bennett?
3) What if Johnny was just a college star?
4) What if Brodie was just another 3rd pair guy?
5) What if Avs decided not to match ROR offer sheet and he had go thru waivers?
6) What if Gio was just another middling 2nd pair dman?
7) What if Bos traded Hamilton to Edmonton?
8) What if Glencross didn't waive his NTC?
9) What if Flames hired Benning instead of Treiliving?
10) What if the Kings had claimed the last playoff spot?
11) What if Jankowski didn't sign?
12) What if Flames didn't get an AHL franchise close to Calgary?
13) What if Giordano had held out for a bigger contract?
and so on....

Point is there is always good with the bad. Chicago wasn't Chicago that long ago. LA was a perennial mediocre team. New Jersey was a Mickey mouse organization. Things take time. Let it happen and enjoy it, no need to stress it out.

In coming weeks the Flames will be picking 6th overall, trying to sign a big name UFA, trying to acquire goalie, hire a new coach.

Who knows maybe Calgary Next might even get on the right path? Dare to dream but enjoy.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Just ONE of those predictions, alone, would be outlandish. But 4 in one post?

I don't think they're outlandish. Iggy for Wideman is a trade that would make sense for both teams. Iggy could put up 25-25, especially with Johnny PP time.

Ferland could breakout and score 20. Bouma had 16 the other year. Jooris had 12.

Reimer had a .918 save % on a garbage Leags team. .920 with he Flames D isn't outlandish.

The Poirier one is a stretch but he's got talent.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I think you're greedy or impatient.

1) What if Monahan was another Tzakchuk/Fata?
2) What if Flames decided to go with Del Colle instead of Bennett?
3) What if Johnny was just a college star?
4) What if Brodie was just another 3rd pair guy?
5) What if Avs decided not to match ROR offer sheet and he had go thru waivers?
6) What if Gio was just another middling 2nd pair dman?
7) What if Bos traded Hamilton to Edmonton?
8) What if Glencross didn't waive his NTC?
9) What if Flames hired Benning instead of Treiliving?
10) What if the Kings had claimed the last playoff spot?
11) What if Jankowski didn't sign?
12) What if Flames didn't get an AHL franchise close to Calgary?
13) What if Giordano had held out for a bigger contract?
and so on....

Point is there is always good with the bad. Chicago wasn't Chicago that long ago. LA was a perennial mediocre team. New Jersey was a Mickey mouse organization. Things take time. Let it happen and enjoy it, no need to stress it out.

In coming weeks the Flames will be picking 6th overall, trying to sign a big name UFA, trying to acquire goalie, hire a new coach.

Who knows maybe Calgary Next might even get on the right path? Dare to dream but enjoy.

None of my what-ifs were dependent on player's panning out. They were largely dependent on managerial decisions, and draft picks are a managerial decision. Luck is for the prepared mind. Only the Dallas/St.Louis series was outside of the Flames control. So the thick of your good luck is Gaudreau, Brodie, Giordano, and Monahan? What about Irving, Chucko, Nemisz, Howse, etc?

Some of yours aren't even relevant IMO. Andironack was garbage this year. Huska is getting nothing from Poirer, Klimchuck or Arnold. Not sure what Adirondack being in the Pacific coast has to do with the good? Even if the Kings clinch the last playoff spot, I'm not sure that's detrimental to the rebuild. Maybe you can argue that the winning season led to the Frolik signing, but that's about it. Plus there's no way the Flames draft Da Colle. It was either Bennett or Drasaitl. Both look like studs at this point so its a wash.

[Gaskal]

Who cares? They're still what if's. You go ahead and dwell on those all you want. Most of us live in the present.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Who cares? They're still what if's. You go ahead and dwell on those all you want. Most of us live in the present.

What present? Its the off season. There's very little to do but dwell?

[Gaskal]

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

None of my what-ifs were dependent on player's panning out. They were largely dependent on managerial decisions, and draft picks are a managerial decision. Luck is for the prepared mind. Only the Dallas/St.Louis series was outside of the Flames control. So the thick of your good luck is Gaudreau, Brodie, Giordano, and Monahan? What about Irving, Chucko, Nemisz, Howse, etc?

Some of yours aren't even relevant IMO. Andironack was garbage this year. Huska is getting nothing from Poirer, Klimchuck or Arnold. Not sure what Adirondack being in the Pacific coast has to do with the good? Even if the Kings clinch the last playoff spot, I'm not sure that's detrimental to the rebuild. Maybe you can argue that the winning season led to the Frolik signing, but that's about it. Plus there's no way the Flames draft Da Colle. It was either Bennett or Drasaitl. Both look like studs at this point so its a wash.

The only what-if that would make much of any difference is the lottery ball situation. That is pure luck. The rest, meh, perhaps marginally better returns, or marginally more cap space. I don't see the Flames being a perennial contender just because of those things not panning out in a perfect world.

[Roof-Daddy]

Draft day crazy day!

1. 6th OA (Flames), 35th OA (Flames) to Canes for 13th OA (Canes), 21st OA (Kings), 43rd OA (Canes)
2. 13th OA (Canes), 43rd OA (Canes), Mason McDonald to Lightning for Andrei Vasilevskiy, 27th OA (Lightining)
3. 27th OA (Lightning) to Rangers for Chris Kreider
4. Joe Colborne to Sens for Alex Chaisson, 42nd OA (Sens)

TL/DR -> Turn 6th OA, 35th OA, McDonald, Colborne into 21st OA, 42nd OA, Vasilevskiy, Kreider, Chaisson


Flames draft:

21st OA (Julien Gauthier?)
42nd OA
53rd OA
55th OA
65th OA
95th OA
125th OA
155th OA
165th OA
185th OA

Also trade:

Dennis Wideman, Ryan Culkin (Played for Roy in the Q) to Avs for Mat Clark (AHL Dman with size/physicality), 2017 3rd round pick

UFA signings:

Mikkel Boedker - 5 years, $4.5 million per (Don't like Boedker, sub your guy in be it Perron, Brouwer, etc)
James Reimer - 3 years, $4.0 million per
Jakub Nakladal - 1 year, $950,000

Line up (with RFA signings):

1. Gaudreau (6.750) - Monahan (6.750) - Boedker (4.500)
2. C. Kreider (4.000) - Bennett (0.925) - Chaisson (1.200)
3. Raymond (3.150) - Backlund (3.575) - M Frolik (4.300)
4. L. Bouma (2.200) - M Stajan (3.125) - M Ferland (0.825)

Extra - Bollig (1.250) - Hathaway (0.619)

1. Giordano (6.750) - Hamilton (5.750)
2. Jokipakka (0.900) - Brodie (4.650)
3. Nakladal (0.950) - Engelland (2.916)

Extra - Wotherspoon (0.900) - Smid (3.500)

1. Reimer (4.000)
2. Vasilevskiy (0.925)


Total Payroll - $74,482,067 (Just over $74 million cap but with 24 players)

1. Massively upgrade goaltending with a vet and young guy combo, still bring Vasi along slowly with Reimer around
2. Upgrade top 9 speed with Boedker, Kreider, Chaisson
3. Also size and physicality added with Kreider and Chaisson
4. Raymond has rebound opportunity with new coach, otherwise he's beaten out by Shinkaruk, Poirier, etc
5. Lots of money expiring after the season to re-up RFA's

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

I get that you're doing your very best to be pessimistic but the bolded are just ridiculous in terms of suggesting they'd have made a huge difference in the big picture.

You are really reaching with the bulk of those.

Making decisions is a huge part of running a sports franchise, and you could make a list like this (doing a much better and more realistic job that is) for every team.

[hockey.modern]

Haven't thought about it too much, but I'm curious to see if Raymond has a rebound season with a new coach/system.

[dissentowner]

Gaudreau/Monahan/Pribyl
Shinkaruk/Bennett/Frolik
Ferland/Backlund/Colborne
Bouma/Stajan/Jooris
Bollig


Gio/Brodie
Nakladal/Hamilton
Jokipakka/Engelland
Smid

Reimer
Ortio

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Haven't thought about it too much, but I'm curious to see if Raymond has a rebound season with a new coach/system.

He won't. Dude has the physical strength of a piece of paper. I've never seen anyone get knocked off the puck easier.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

Funny I think the flames have been fortunate in their rebuild and a lot has gone out way so far.

1( First point if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games we finish where the Canucks did and drop back 2 spots instead of one. In fact if we were just a bit better we get Laine
2) Second point would have been nice but Treliving still fleeced Dallas on that deal
3) Third point results in Sven still being a pouty baby who was sad he got jumped by guys like Johnny and Jooris.
4) Too bad Burke signed Stajan for 4 years but if he didn't then who scores the clinching goal against Vancouver last year. Maybe we lose the series
5) maybe the flames trade Cammy for a 4th and that prospect is marginal while teams still think the way to deal with Cagarynis hold out and they cave. Glencross doesn't get a 2nd and 3rd and Russell doesn't get a player, prospect and pick that had 1st round potential
6) maybe he gets even less for him or can't move him at all and his pouty attitude does not help build the new culture of the team
7) we get a later first in 2013, a marginal Dman that would be off our roster, and a prospect that still has not cracked the NHL.
8)Feaster made this trade and it turned out to a dud. We have more cap space and another mediocre goalie prospect.
9)he probably doesn't sign here and the team probably misses the playoffs in 2015
10) we have a decent prospect and perhaps do not have the cap space to sign Hamilton and Frolik last summer.

Such a pessimistic post. We are 3 years since the rebuild started and have a great young core.

Things could have gone much worse
2013- Hurricanes take Monahan leaving Lndholn for the Flames
2014- Flames defeat Vancouver in the last game of the season and fall to 5th and draft Dal Colle or Virtanen
2014- Gaudreau goes back for his senior year and tests free agency
2015- flames miss playoffs
2015- Glencross doesn't waive

Could be way worse

[smiggy77]

My son, don't live a life of what if's. Hindsight will never prove to be beneficial in life. When we win a cup in a few years, you'll know that everything was written the way it was supposed to.

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I feel like this rebuild has been very unlucky. If we build a perennial contender, I can't help but wonder some what-ifs that could've been the difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner.

1) What if Flames faires well in the 2016 NHL lottery and took Matthews or a Fin, or conversely, what if the Flames didn't win a few meaningless games down the stretch
2) What if Dallas won their series against St. Louis and gave us an excellent trade piece with the 1st rounder
3) What if Burke didn't embarrass Baertschi publicly
4) What if Burke didn't extend Stajan for 5 years
5) What if Burke didn't hold out on Cammy until the deadline and traded him earlier
6) What if Feaster waited until training camp to trade Tanguay
7) What if Iginla agreed to the Boston deal
8) What if Burke doesn't trade for Smid and keeps Brossoit
9) What if Feaster doesn't give Wideman a NMC
10) What if Riberio agrees to the trade and Flamed get Arizona's 1st

Haha... yeah, Baertschi the "difference maker from a contender to a Cup Winner".