Of course you can't eliminate concussions. No one is saying any particular solution is perfect. You can lessen concussions and try not to encourage them.
My guess majority of concussion (recently) are not from fighting
Fighting is a really small aspect of the game currently.
NHL in my view are indirectly removing it from the game.
Yes in the 80's and 90's game was completely different
Concussion, however remain an isssue.
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But the thing you’re not connecting with is that there is already nothing allowed in a fight.
Hitting: legal, unless you target the head, hit from behind, or board.
Fighting: not legal, period.
Adding conditions for what is “allowed” in an aspect of the game where none of it is allowed is going backwards. It’s absurd.
This is a grey area (fighting). There is a tolerance to it which is why it’s not suspendible. So all I’m saying is you make certain parts about fighting suspension worthy. Like hitting the head. Guys can get aggressive and let out the steam through fighting with hits to the body but if you make hitting to the head suspension worthy it’ll change how it’s done. I personally don’t see the problem.
Agreed but addressing fighting is very easy.
Evolving hitting is something that I think also needs to happen but is much more complicated.
But the league could choose, anytime, to get rid of fighting completely.
I think the evolution of hitting is the problem.
Hitting was about separating the man from the puck, now it is often coached that it needs to be obliterating the man from the puck.
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Hitting was about separating the man from the puck, now it is often coached that it needs to be obliterating the man from the puck.
I think it would just be a really hard thing to enforce. There are times when it's obvious that a hit goes beyond what is reasonable, but there are other times where it is really subjective and open to debate. There are already some consistency issue for calling penalties that have a more black and white interpretation.
I do hate guys like Trouba who I think tries to injure players with hits that are technically clean. I just don't know how you can draw the line.
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I think it would just be a really hard thing to enforce. There are times when it's obvious that a hit goes beyond what is reasonable, but there are other times where it is really subjective and open to debate. There are already some consistency issue for calling penalties that have a more black and white interpretation.
I do hate guys like Trouba who I think tries to injure players with hits that are technically clean. I just don't know how you can draw the line.
Start with the obvious. Was the hit egregiously more than required to retrieve the puck? If Yes - severe penalty and suspension.
I would encourage to read Ken Dryden's book Game Change that is all about this.
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Start with the obvious. Was the hit egregiously more than required to retrieve the puck? If Yes - severe penalty and suspension.
I would encourage to read Ken Dryden's book Game Change that is all about this.
Yeah. I agree with this. The spirit of contact in hockey is to take control of the puck (and also get the guy out of the play). Having guys freighttrain each other serves little purpose.
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Yeah. I agree with this. The spirit of contact in hockey is to take control of the puck (and also get the guy out of the play). Having guys freighttrain each other serves little purpose.
Other than rushing them to make poor decisions with the puck.
Yeah. I agree with this. The spirit of contact in hockey is to take control of the puck (and also get the guy out of the play). Having guys freighttrain each other serves little purpose.
Look at most of Trouba's big hits. He's not even worrying about trying to get the puck.
My guess majority of concussion (recently) are not from fighting
Fighting is a really small aspect of the game currently.
NHL in my view are indirectly removing it from the game.
Yes in the 80's and 90's game was completely different
Concussion, however remain an issue.
How many guys do you see go anywhere but to the penalty box after 5 min. major for fighting unless they are cut and need repairs in the dressing room or they are given a game misconduct and thrown out of the game? I can't recall many going to the dressing room after a fight for concussion protocol.
How many guys do you see go anywhere but to the penalty box after 5 min. major for fighting unless they are cut and need repairs in the dressing room or they are given a game misconduct and thrown out of the game? I can't recall many going to the dressing room after a fight for concussion protocol.
This is part of the problem. The above represents an inaccurate view of how concussions and long-term brain trauma is caused.
"The relentless physicality and repeated blows to the head endured by NHL enforcers put them at high risk for developing severe concussions and chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). CTE is a degenerative brain condition caused by repeated head trauma including concussions, which are a common occurrence in hockey. The condition causes the brain to degenerate, resulting in memory loss, impaired judgment, suicidality, and, eventually, progressive dementia."
And there have been guys who have been concussed from a fight, including from blows to the head, or hitting their head on the ice on the way down.
Honestly what a ####ing stupid practice. Getting two guys ON SKATES to throw fists at each other.
Completely idiotic.
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you can’t be ok with fighting sports that promote blows to the head, but against the occasional hockey fight.
Sure you can. That's like saying you can't like both contact and non-contact sports at the same time. "I'm a hockey fan, but soccer sucks specifically because it doesn't have hitting." You can have that opinion, sure, but you can't say that thinking otherwise is illogical or a contradiction. It isn't. You can like both.
Fighting is part of combat sports--it's literally the entire sport. However, fighting is not part of hockey. It is explicitly against the rules.
