If Brouwer can't find any offensive touch that's fine, but if that's the case, he better damn well be kickin ass and takin names out there. Including dropping the gloves as necessary.
That's what pissed me off the most about him last season actually. No intensity, no heart, skating away from scrums.
I think that's the issue most people had as well. I honestly wasn't expecting him to score 20+ goals/40 points. I thought he was overpaid the minute the deal was announced. But if you're going to be overpaid, you better be scrumming it up after whistles and running players over every chance you get. Be physical every chance you get and be getting under the other player's skin. Other then a few occasions, Brouwer was neutered most of the season.
While I was hoping Vegas would pick him, a fired up Brouwer who has something to prove who contributes at both ends of the ice is more valuable to the team, then another hole to fill in. I honestly think he can, and will, bounce back.
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I don't think there is something wrong with Brouwer nor he is a bum. Brouwer is just overpaid and does not belong in the first two lines. He is actually a borderline 3rd liner. GG should leave Brouwer in the 4th line and I am sure he'll do well with Stajan and whoever they will play with. I am not giving up on this guy and I will definitely think he'll have better this coming season.
I don't think there is something wrong with Brouwer nor he is a bum. Brouwer is just overpaid and does not belong in the first two lines. He is actually a borderline 3rd liner. GG should leave Brouwer in the 4th line and I am sure he'll do well with Stajan and whoever they will play with. I am not giving up on this guy and I will definitely think he'll have better this coming season.
A player that puts up 40ish points every year is not a borderline 3rd liner.
He had a terrible year, let's just call it what it is.
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A player that puts up 40ish points every year is not a borderline 3rd liner.
He had a terrible year, let's just call it what it is.
Yep, whoever posted the pre injury stats and post injury stats for brouwer really put his season into perspective. I feel you can pair that with the whole new team and period of adjustment in with that to paint the reason why Brouwer season was a write off. He did carry the offense a bit while the rest of the team was spinning it's wheels at the beginning of the season. It was just overshadowed by the poor start and hysteria the fans were in.
Yep, whoever posted the pre injury stats and post injury stats for brouwer really put his season into perspective. I feel you can pair that with the whole new team and period of adjustment in with that to paint the reason why Brouwer season was a write off. He did carry the offense a bit while the rest of the team was spinning it's wheels at the beginning of the season. It was just overshadowed by the poor start and hysteria the fans were in.
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wouldnt one of the possible solutions be trading him for someone else's problem contract? I agree with many of you who expect him to perform better next season but even then, how does he fit on any Flames line that isn't the 4th?
I'd love to see Tre swap Brouwer for Beleskey out of Boston. At least you can expect bottom 6 minutes and improved defensive play from Beleskey and he wouldn't have to come and be a leader, just a consistent contributor. Brouwers style of play is better suited for Boston than it is for possession-first Gulutzan hockey anyway. They both have 3 years left on their deals and have not fit in with their respective teams. I'd say it's worth a shot!
wouldnt one of the possible solutions be trading him for someone else's problem contract? I agree with many of you who expect him to perform better next season but even then, how does he fit on any Flames line that isn't the 4th?
I'd love to see Tre swap Brouwer for Beleskey out of Boston. At least you can expect bottom 6 minutes and improved defensive play from Beleskey and he wouldn't have to come and be a leader, just a consistent contributor. Brouwers style of play is better suited for Boston than it is for possession-first Gulutzan hockey anyway. They both have 3 years left on their deals and have not fit in with their respective teams. I'd say it's worth a shot!
He has a full NTC through this season that switches to a modified NTC for the following two seasons. Trading Brouwer is going to be a lot harder than at first thought.
I honestly think the best thing we can do is give him another shot this year; he was one of our better forwards out of the gate last year but slowed down and ran into injury problems mid season.
If we can get 20/20 for 40 or so points out of him it's not a bad contract.
For better or worse, Brouwer will be a flame this season. Let's just hope he takes advantage of any chance he's given and regains his play. If he plays poorly he can go on the bottom line and someone else can get a chance in his place but if he plays well, it's a good problem to have.
Trading him now would be a mistake IMO
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A player that puts up 40ish points every year is not a borderline 3rd liner.
He had a terrible year, let's just call it what it is.
Sam Gagner had 50 points last season and few would even call him a 3rd liner.
"Lines" are based on even strength usage and production and historically Brouwer's ES production rate is close to high end fourth liner and low end 3rd liners. That was before this last year.
What Brouwer is though, like Gagner albeit not stylistically, is a power play specialist.
Call a spade a spade, he's a borderline 3rd liner who is a power play specialist. When he isn't playing like he did last year, which at ES was below 4th line level.
Brouwer might bounce back to a 35 point forward, but that doesn't mean he will be a difference make outside of the PP. Borderline 3rd liner is apt. You're still better off with a real solid 3rd liner on your 3rd line. Regardless of what Brouwer does on the PP. A real solid 3rd liner should hit 30+ points without copious power play time to pad stats on.
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If Brouwer can't find any offensive touch that's fine, but if that's the case, he better damn well be kickin ass and takin names out there. Including dropping the gloves as necessary.
That's what pissed me off the most about him last season actually. No intensity, no heart, skating away from scrums.
I totally agree. I wouldn't even mind what he brought to the table points wise if he had actually showed up every night but he showed up for about 5 games the whole season. The rest of the time he was floating out there, not winning board battles, not sticking up for teammates, not doing jack squat. He was useful on the PP providing a screen but Chiasson did the same thing for way less dollars.
I guess you have to hope he bounces back this year, otherwise you are looking at buyout or giving up assets to dump him elsewhere.
I get the feeling that we have Brouwer for another 2 seasons, and then he'll either be traded with salary retained on the final year, or the more likely scenario, he's bought out. This team can't afford to have a $4.5M x 4th line RW when Tkachuk, Bennett (likely), Lazar, and Ferland are due for new contracts.
Flames management has shown a willingness to operate with $1M-$1.5M worth of buyouts on the books each season.
Brouwer's production would easier to swallow if he played with the kind of jam that was expected when he was signed. But he was about the 8th most aggressive player on the team.
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Sam Gagner had 50 points last season and few would even call him a 3rd liner.
"Lines" are based on even strength usage and production and historically Brouwer's ES production rate is close to high end fourth liner and low end 3rd liners. That was before this last year.
What Brouwer is though, like Gagner albeit not stylistically, is a power play specialist.
Call a spade a spade, he's a borderline 3rd liner who is a power play specialist. When he isn't playing like he did last year, which at ES was below 4th line level.
Brouwer might bounce back to a 35 point forward, but that doesn't mean he will be a difference make outside of the PP. Borderline 3rd liner is apt. You're still better off with a real solid 3rd liner on your 3rd line. Regardless of what Brouwer does on the PP. A real solid 3rd liner should hit 30+ points without copious power play time to pad stats on.
Interesting, but completely off the mark.
Let's take a look at the actual league and see how many 'real solid 3rd liners' there are:
Last year, there were 192 forwards that got 30 points. That is 6.4 per team. That means that, on average, each team had 0.4 solid 3rd liners. And that's when we include PPPs.
If we exclude PPPs, in order to weed out those really solid 3rd liners that don't rely on those nasty PPs, we find that there are a grand total of 8 - yes eight - 3rd liners that managed 30 points excluding the PP.
And of the 8, six of them got exactly 30 points and one got 32. The only 3rd liner in the NHL that got more than 32 points excluding the PP was Pomminville. He managed 40. So good for Minnesota.
It total, there were 147 forwards that got 30 points excluding the PP. That works out to 4.9 per team.
Here are Brouwer's point totals, excluding PPPs, in prior years:
09/10 CHI: 27
10/11 CHI: 23
11/12 WAS: 28
12/13 WAS: 17 (lockout season, on pace for 30)
13/14 WAS: 22
14/15 WAS: 29
15/16 STL: 29
16/17 CAL: 14
Now, which of those seasons is not like the others?
Again, keeping in mind that there were a total of eight 3rd liners that got 30 non-PP points last year (and 7 of the 8 had 32 points or less), I would say that, in the 7 seasons before joining the Flames, his having 27-29 non-PP points 4 times, and being on pace for 30 in the lockout season, look like pretty fricking solid 3rd line numbers to me.
So enough with the 4th liner comments. He isn't one. He has never been one.
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As mentioned i could live with the drop in point production if he played like he gave a damn. And the post injury nonsense doesn't explain why he had no problem sticking up for himself but was a no show when anyone was was getting facewashed or targeted..
And yes last season he played like a 4th liner. Injury or not that was his level of play.
I hope he bounces back though because if he is better the Flames are better.
Let the man play another season. 1) new system, 2) injuries. If he doesn't pan out this season, it will be a lot easier for a team to take on his contract with only 2 years left if Treliving decides to go that route.
As mentioned i could live with the drop in point production if he played like he gave a damn. And the post injury nonsense doesn't explain why he had no problem sticking up for himself but was a no show when anyone was was getting facewashed or targeted..
Yeah, the guy is a total loser for not going around punching faces with his broken hand.
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