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Old 04-27-2012, 01:51 PM   #21
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The Markham Chargers is what I've heard the team name could be IF they get a team. Sounds minor league to me.
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Here's the location in question: If I were a resident of Markham, I would definitely be concerned about facing the same problems that Glendale is having now. Almost 9 million people live the "Golden Horseshoe" but Markham is on the edge of the high population area.
It's not really that bad though. It would easily draw from Scarborough, Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Newmarket, Pickering, Ajax, Whitby and Oshawa. It's not at all like Glendale when you consider that the people here are hungry for another team and don't need to be convinced.

Markham also has many corporate offices and is growing at a very fast rate.

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The Markham Chargers is what I've heard the team name could be IF they get a team. Sounds minor league to me.
I think calling them the "Markham" anything would be a mistake. Markham as a stand alone city doesn't identify with a lot of people. They would either have to use Toronto (if they were allowed) or go with Ontario.

If the Coyotes moved there (not that I am advocating it), I would keep that name. It would be a suburban team and the coyote is a common type of suburban wildlife in the area. It would be somewhat fitting.
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Why would Markham make the same mistake Hamilton did with Copps? If you build it, the Sabres and/or the Laffs won't allow you to come.

Or is it because Markham isn't within Sabres territory that it is even feasible?
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The Eastern GTA in general is growing in population at an astronomical rate. In addition, the 407 (which goes through Markham) is getting extended Easterly as far as the 115. They are expecting a lot more development in the area along the 407 once it is finished. Having a link like that would make it easy for people as far east as Peterborough or further travel to Markham to watch the game.
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Blackberry needs to invest in something because their phone business is crashing.
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Why would Markham make the same mistake Hamilton did with Copps? If you build it, the Sabres and/or the Laffs won't allow you to come.

Or is it because Markham isn't within Sabres territory that it is even feasible?
I can see the NHL wanting to protect the Sabres as they have a relatively small base to draw from, but eventually the NHL has to draw the line with the Leafs and consider what is best for the league. Having one team "hog" a potential fanbase of 5 million when they can't possibly draw as much overall revenue that 2 would be able to from the same market, doesn't seem like the best idea. Many people in the GTA are essentially isolated from the Leafs because accessibility has moved beyond geographic descriptions.
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As someone currently living in Markham, I don't know what to think of this plan. I'm actually a 10 minute drive from the proposed location, and it's so-so. Markham isn't what a lot are saying. It's known as the technological capital of Canada, with Apple, and IBM headquarters within about a KM of the proposed site (not to mention other headquarters). It has its factory "district" tucked away closer to the West of the city, so it's by no means a dump like Edmonton where everywhere is one giant factory. I'll describe the proposed site a little more.

Basically, for those not in the know, the proposed site is for the most part undeveloped except for a few homes which came up recently. The plan is to not have any building over 15 stories or something like that (so no skyscrapers). It's actually pretty neat IMO, where to the North of the proposed rink will be residential. To the east is the existing GO Station (which should prove to be huge for transportation to the rink). To the West is the proposed outdoor mall, and business downtown (where there will be very limited parking and more of a walking around concept). To the South is the already there 407 toll highway, and South of that is already residential which has been built for years.

Markham may as well be called a town because of its lack of downtown, but there's a huge difference between places like Hamilton, simply because of the demographic. Hamilton for the most part is very much blue collar. Markham is middle to upper class. What is concerning to me, is Markham's road infrastructure. As a resident I really hate the traffic as development went into overdrive the past 10 years, and the small town feel has been lost to a lot of congestion. An NHL team in the area would need roads to be widened from 2 lanes to at least 3 and I don't know if that's possible. As well, Markham is predominantly Asian, which I am as well (East Indian), but sometimes I wish it wasn't becoming so segregated with certain nationalities bunching up in certain areas (it's not ghetto, but it has areas where singular nationalities congregate). Currently the area where the proposed site is, is 90% Chinese, so it would be nice if they were more proactive in promoting more multicultural-ness. At the end of the day though, I hope they expand the "downtown" boarder, because it is really small. More like 1 KM (East-West), and about 750 M (North-South). Not exactly large when they're putting up town houses and stuff in the downtown, as opposed to condos, and that's taking up about half the aforementioned downtown space. As well, it's no more than 30 minutes drive to downtown Toronto when there's no traffic.

It's an interesting concept, but they have to think of the infrastructure more. Besides that, I think our house value would go up pretty nicely.

Edit: Just to add one more thing, Markham is to Toronto what the NE Calgary is to downtown Calgary - much more suburban, but from my time in Calgary, I don't think it's ghetto. Just similar to proximity (maybe Markham is a little further), but more of a place to reside as opposed to the hussle of your average downtown. If I wanna go out for a drink, Markham isn't bad. If I want to party and go clubbing, I'll go Downtown Toronto. I imagine if they ever land an NHL team, the players will just party it up in Toronto anyway - again, 30 minute drive.

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Taxpayers are often allergic to open tax funding for pro teams, so this gift is shielded. Property taxes won’t be used on the project — unless it bombs, and then, the doomsday scenario sees taxes going up a maximum $160, spread over seven years. It’s unlikely to happen. Development will continue in Markham, providing new revenues from new, jacked-up development fees earmarked for the arena.
Still, tax dollars prop up this project.
Graeme Roustan and GTA Sports and Entertainment will design, build, operate and lease out the arena for concerts, sports and other events. But the city is to own it — freeing the arena of paying property taxes.
Almost half of Section 37 money — funds all developers donate to the city in exchange for increased height and density — is diverted to the arena and will not be available for other city projects.
Development fees will double on new homes — adding $2,000 to $6,500 to the price. Worse, adding these development fees limits the town’s ability to add future fees for city-run projects.
The deal demands paid parking for arena events so Markham can get a share of the revenues to service the debt. Ditto for a surcharge on each ticket to the event.
Such is the price of putting Markham on the map. It’s not enough to be known as green, tax low, well-managed and one of Canada’s richest municipalities.

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^^^jeez paid parking? Whoda thunk? Wonder if they will charge $30-$50 a spot like Toronto.
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It's not really that bad though. It would easily draw from Scarborough, Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Newmarket, Pickering, Ajax, Whitby and Oshawa. It's not at all like Glendale when you consider that the people here are hungry for another team and don't need to be convinced.
I didn't mean the Glendale comparison with regards to supporting a team there, I meant it more from the perspective of what happens if they don't get a team (Hamilton has been waiting 25 years for an NHL team in Copps).

If they get an NHL team to put into the new arena, there shouldn't be a problem, but look at the money the City of Glendale is willing to spend to keep the Coyotes there because they know that if the Coyotes leave, they'll be in even worse shape.

If I were a taxpayer in Markham, my concern would be whether the arena can be viable without an NHL team to call it home because you know the Leafs will fight hard to keep a second team out of the GTA (although, with MLSE's new ownership, their position may have softened with visions of big broadcast revenue dancing in their heads).
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The Markham Chargers is what I've heard the team name could be IF they get a team. Sounds minor league to me.
The NHL would never allow them to call themselves Markham anything. It will be Toronto <Insert Name Here>.
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so it's decided.... luongo to markham for future considerations

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The NHL would never allow them to call themselves Markham anything. It will be Toronto <Insert Name Here>.
Exactly. Even Ontario is a stretch. The NHL didn't want the Winnipeg team to have the name 'Manitoba'.
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Exactly. Even Ontario is a stretch. The NHL didn't want the Winnipeg team to have the name 'Manitoba'.
But they allowed Anaheim.
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But they allowed Anaheim.
Different era. I don't think it's a stretch for it to be called Markham simply because it's not really a small town, and is really an important part of Ontario because of its technological influence. I think it's more important to be called something more universal given the surrounding areas will be supporting it as much as anything, once it's built. My guess is it'll be called York Whatever's given it's part of York Region.
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Different era. I don't think it's a stretch for it to be called Markham simply because it's not really a small town, and is really an important part of Ontario because of its technological influence. I think it's more important to be called something more universal given the surrounding areas will be supporting it as much as anything, once it's built. My guess is it'll be called York Whatever's given it's part of York Region.
I really don't think so, for more than one reason.
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Markham is so dense, where will they ever fit it?

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I think it's more important to be called something more universal given the surrounding areas will be supporting it as much as anything, once it's built. My guess is it'll be called York Whatever's given it's part of York Region.
Yeah.. that's not gonna happen
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The Ontario "Whatevers" is more likely.
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They should call themselves the North Toronto Oak Leafs.
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