05-22-2012, 10:26 AM
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#61
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Originally Posted by Sliver
A garden is one thing. An ugly hippy painted-tire potato patch is different altogether. She took an eyesore of a vacant lot (which is totally unacceptable IMO) and replaced it with an even more ######ed version of itself. Using old tires in your garden is fine if you're white trash, but you can't tell me old painted tires beautify anything. I'm used to seeing old tires strewn about in the worst places in Africa and Alabama, not Calgary.
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At least with empty land, it's just dirt and weeds. Now it just looks like some squatters set up shop on the vacant lot and turned it into a ghetto shanty town. She should add some burning oil drums at night to really tie it all in.
If I was an area resident, I'd be choked at looking at such an eyesore.
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05-22-2012, 10:32 AM
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#62
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At first I was really confused about why someone would kick up a stink about someone starting planting potatoes on their land. It mean chances are they would maintain the lot in a reasonable manner and even if they abandoned the plants there they probably would save them in costs.
Then I saw the god awful eye sore tires, and realized I would be pissed if I had that in my community as well. A garden is one thing, a psychedelic hippy infused tire-fest is something else entirely.
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05-22-2012, 10:45 AM
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#64
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Originally Posted by Sliver
. I'm used to seeing old tires strewn about in the worst places in Africa and Alabama.
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interesting choices.
If she was interested in putting the land to use, why not run a search, find out the owner, and ask to use the land.....oh wait hippies, nevermind.
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05-22-2012, 10:51 AM
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The much simpler approach would have been to talk to the owner and say I will quit making bylaw complaints against you for a derelict lot if you let me plant potatoes there and I will clean up my potato garden when you want to develop.
It would be win win for everyone. Instead it sounds like she has been very adversarial with the lot owner and didnt work with them.
Instead of tires and paint she could have at least rented a rototiller and brought in some top soil and made the whole lot into a nice garden instead of a tire pile.
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05-22-2012, 12:13 PM
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#66
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The only thing that matters is this:
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@lonnietaylor I did speak to neighbours and call JM's office beforehand. Spoke to at least 40 people yesterday who loved the idea. .
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If one of those 40 people wasn't the bloody property owner themselves then it doesn't matter.
Anyone defending this is basically saying that a property owner has no right to be consulted prior to their land being used, regardless of the 'benefit'. If someone is so concerned about an ugly vacant lot in their neighbourhood, offer to buy it from the owner. Then you can put coloured tires, a potato garden, and a booth selling fairy dust for all I care.
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05-22-2012, 01:24 PM
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There was a famous case in Los Angeles in 2006 mirroring these same circumstances.
About 300 families were using property that didn't belong to them for community gardening.
The new owner evicted them to build a warehouse. I believe the landowner ultimately won his right to claim use of his land but as of last year had yet to build his warehouse and the land was vacant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Central_Farm
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05-22-2012, 01:44 PM
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Location: Next to My Neighbour
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
I think John Mar's the most useless alderman we have (except maybe Gord Lowe), but having said that, I don't think the woman should be allowed to just set up shop with her potato garden on someone else's property. I don't really care how noble it was, if she's allowed to do it, it sets a bad precedent for everyone else. If they ok her in doing her ugly tire farm (and it is hella ugly, so I don't know how it "beautifies" anything), then that means it's ok for other people to do their own interpretation on other vacant lots.
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I like what you're saying, but Druh Farrell will forever hold the title of Most Useless Alderthing.
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05-22-2012, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailgator
I like what you're saying, but Druh Farrell will forever hold the title of Most Useless Alderthing.
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you probably are right, but she got this right:
http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/05/21...lgary-alderman
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05-22-2012, 01:54 PM
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as a guerilla gardener myself, i avoid areas where this type of conflict seems inevitable. i don't do vacant inner city lots or anything like that. i go out of my way to find a place where virtually nobody will see or notice it.
i give full marks for trying to make a difference, but she was way too 'out there' about it. if i were to use that same lot, there would be no tires or anything. i would have just planted my stuff and left it alone until time to harvest.
as for john mar, his little man syndrome seems to be impairing his judgement on what is the best way to use our city resources. his comments towards the use of community gardens is out to lunch. if he had any knowledge of the demand for, and lack of, community garden space, he might have a better handle on the issue that lead to this type of guerilla gardener.
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05-22-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by moncton golden flames
as a marijuna grower myself, i avoid areas where this type of conflict seems inevitable. I don't do vacant inner city lots or anything like that. I go out of my way to find a place where virtually nobody will see or notice it.
I give full marks for trying to make a difference, but she was way too 'out there' about it. If i were to use that same lot, there would be no tires or anything. I would have just planted my stuff and left it alone until time to harvest.
As for john mar, his little man syndrome seems to be impairing his judgement on what is the best way to use our city resources. His comments towards the use of community gardens is out to lunch. If he had any knowledge of the demand for, and lack of, community garden space, he might have a better handle on the issue that lead to this type of guerilla gardener.
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fyi
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05-22-2012, 01:59 PM
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btw, this derelict lot is near the corner of 17th ave and 17th st SW if any of you are wondering
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05-22-2012, 02:00 PM
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#73
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day......
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05-22-2012, 02:02 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by Tailgator
Even a broken clock is right twice a day......
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don't disagree, but people are quick to pile on, and often don't give credit when it's due.
But I agree with your assessment of her.
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05-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
don't disagree, but people are quick to pile on, and often don't give credit when it's due.
But I agree with your assessment of her.
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I don't disagree with you either, but trying to say she's right about anything makes me throw up in my mouth a little....
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05-22-2012, 02:17 PM
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#76
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Allow me to also add DCU as a nominee for current worst alderman. For me it is a tie between her and Mar, mainly due to their grandstanding and fence-sitting (more so in Mar's case).
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05-22-2012, 02:23 PM
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#77
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
fyi
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fyi.... broad beans and peas.
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05-22-2012, 02:28 PM
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#78
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Originally Posted by GGG
The much simpler approach would have been to talk to the owner and say I will quit making bylaw complaints against you for a derelict lot if you let me plant potatoes there and I will clean up my potato garden when you want to develop.
It would be win win for everyone. Instead it sounds like she has been very adversarial with the lot owner and didnt work with them.
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You'd think that Mar also should have looked for such a win-win solution before bringing in the cavalry. Random hippie probably doesn't know better, but an Alderman should be solution-oriented.
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05-22-2012, 02:50 PM
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#79
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Mar's an idiot because all he's doing is alienating part of his riding. These people are going to vote vehemently against him next election. But having seen Mar in action in city hall debates, I doubt the guy actually had the brain capacity to think it through rationally before going to the cops.
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05-22-2012, 03:59 PM
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#80
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by moncton golden flames
as a guerilla gardener myself, i avoid areas where this type of conflict seems inevitable. i don't do vacant inner city lots or anything like that. i go out of my way to find a place where virtually nobody will see or notice it.
i give full marks for trying to make a difference, but she was way too 'out there' about it. if i were to use that same lot, there would be no tires or anything. i would have just planted my stuff and left it alone until time to harvest.
as for john mar, his little man syndrome seems to be impairing his judgement on what is the best way to use our city resources. his comments towards the use of community gardens is out to lunch. if he had any knowledge of the demand for, and lack of, community garden space, he might have a better handle on the issue that lead to this type of guerilla gardener.
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That's the other thing that gets me about this stunt, they claim they wanted to be "low key and fly under the radar" while their actions indicate the exact opposite. Bright paint, a big banner, random claims about the food bank. Heck she probably could have left the tires unpainted, banked em up next to the fence and gone unnoticed for weeks.
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