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Go_Flames4ever · 10-23-2016, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Ok, so because Gulatzan is bad we should bring back another bad coach?

How about we hire a good coach instead

I never said bring back Bob as that ship has sailed. But I agree that we need a better coach than one that had never shown any success in the NHL with other clubs.

I just don't think relieving him at the end of the season was the right move at the time and bringing this so-called up-and-comer has seem to backfire. I would love the team to turn it around, but there doesn't seem to have any evidence of that.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-23-2016, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Fire Gulutzan, 1-4-1 with Brodie, Gio, Guadreau, and Monahan playing like garbage in or out of the "system."

Hire Hartley, who went 2-8-1 without a win in regulation while Brodie, Gio, Gaudreau, and Monahan were on their way to career years.

Checks out everyone, problem solved, #bringbackbob

Man people are conveniently forgetful.

Last year saw
1 - Gio off after returning from injury, Brodie out, Dougie new
2 - 3 goalie disaster

These two things are not a factor this year.

This year the big change is the new coach. And the play under him has been a mess.

PepsiFree · 10-23-2016, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Man people are conveniently forgetful.

Last year saw
1 - Gio off after returning from injury, Brodie out, Dougie new
2 - 3 goalie disaster

These two things are not a factor this year.

This year the big change is the new coach. And the play under him has been a mess.

And Monahan coming off a back injury, our top two forwards missing training camp (the time they would learn the new system), and both our goalies being brand new and never having played behind this team or coach before.

But it's only convenient when you leave out possible contributing issues with last year?

Snuffleupagus · 10-23-2016, 11:44 PM

I somehow had a feeling Gulutzan was a bad hire when Canuck and Stars fans started winking at each other.

Seriously though, I think most fans wanted a proven coach for a new hire to replace a coach one year removed from winning a playoff round and the Jack Adam's. But before I'm willing to throw Treliving under the bus I would want to know who really got Hartley fired.

1qqaaz · 10-23-2016, 11:48 PM

I would just want a coach that is good at developing young players.

It's clear we're still a rebuilding team, not a contender. Sure, our top players are not responding well to Gulutzan's system so far. But he may be good at developing our younger players. Maybe Tkachuk and Bennett will grow with him as coach.

The Hartley ship has sailed IMO. But I do think he's better than Gulutzan in terms of winning.

If Sutter becomes available, I'd drop Gulutzan in a heartbeat.

ResAlien · 10-23-2016, 11:54 PM

I just wanted a coach that would win the Stanley Cup in the first six games of the season. Is that too much to ask for?

Street Pharmacist · 10-23-2016, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ResAlien

I just wanted a coach that would win the Stanley Cup in the first six games of the season. Is that too much to ask for?

I'll settle for one who can get the team on board to score more than a single PPG in 6 games...

smiggy77 · 10-24-2016, 12:00 AM

calgaryblood · 10-24-2016, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'll settle for one who can get the team on board to score more than a single PPG in 6 games...

Gulutzan was the pp coach in Vancouver but isn't the pp coach on the Flames.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-24-2016, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And Monahan coming off a back injury, our top two forwards missing training camp (the time they would learn the new system), and both our goalies being brand new and never having played behind this team or coach before.

But it's only convenient when you leave out possible contributing issues with last year?

Not the same. Equally crappy but not the same.

This was not particularly directed at you, just happened to quote you as a random example of the theme.

If the rest of the team looked like they knew the system, and played cohesively, you could isolate Johnny and Monny.

The goalies? They don't try to go 1 on 4 in the neutral zone on the PP. To be clear, I don't fault Elliott or Johnson now. Numbers are poor but reflect and result from team play. (I also suspect Sigalet may not be the best but that is for another time).

But yes, the coach is where I am looking.

DeluxeMoustache · 10-24-2016, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Gulutzan was the pp coach in Vancouver but isn't the pp coach on the Flames.

Which incidentally was 27th in the league.

So how does he credibly call out Cameron's ideas?

jeffporfirio · 10-24-2016, 06:35 AM

Bring back Martin St Louis

taco.vidal · 10-24-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Calgarypuck's slow transformation into HFBoards continues.

The overreaction is real.

saillias · 10-24-2016, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Calgarypuck's slow transformation into HFBoards continues.

The overreaction is real.

I don't even recognize this forum since a week ago or so. It's gone completely mad. Knives out, full panic, kinda nuts.

Erick Estrada · 10-24-2016, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Ha ha ha this thread is silly but this is kind of creepy. Poor GG. Has a new head coach ever received less rope from a fan base?

FlamesAddiction · 10-24-2016, 07:34 AM

While I agree that Hartley was a good coach and so far Gulutzan looks like a dud, you can't fire the coach this early and you especially can't hire back the guy you just fired.

We already fired a coach that took a team in the early stages of a rebuild to the 2nd round of the playoffs and won a Jack Adams while doing it, but to fire the next coach after six games... this management will never lure decent candidates if they act that flaky. If Gulutzan loses this job quickly, his NHL head coaching career is probably done. If you are going to kill a man's career, it's a hard reputation to shake.

For better or worse, we need to stick with this one for at least this season and Treliving needs to do whatever he can do to make him look good.

agulati · 10-24-2016, 07:39 AM

Start All The Threads!

dieHARDflameZ · 10-24-2016, 07:46 AM

Do people forget about us finishing bottom five last season? It was pretty clear the team had tuned Hartley out and that they did not have that same spark they had the year prior.

But yes, let's bring back the coach. It isn't happening, I don't care how many new threads are started with these ridiculous asks.

Izzle · 10-24-2016, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This begs the question... how much of this overreaction is due to the Oilers doing relatively well in this small sample size?

FlamesAddiction · 10-24-2016, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Do people forget about us finishing bottom five last season? It was pretty clear the team had tuned Hartley out and that they did not have that same spark they had the year prior.

But yes, let's bring back the coach. It isn't happening, I don't care how many new threads are started with these ridiculous asks.

The year before he was fired was just gravy (most people were even saying to at the time, but how soon we forget). We were a team in the early stages of a rebuild and last year's results shouldn't be compared directly. By all rights, we should have been a last place team 2014/2015, but because they vastly overachieved, it made last season look worse than it really was. This is the year that normal progression would dictate we should see a rebuild starting to bear fruit being a cap team and all.