10-22-2016, 11:26 PM
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First Line Centre
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Gulatzan looks to be Eakins 2.0 right now..
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10-22-2016, 11:26 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
I just don't think that's why the Flames have one win in six games.
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I agree, and that's why I don't think it's time for Treliving to take some serious heat.
That being said the coach hiring looks atrocious and i'm not confident in GG going forward.
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10-22-2016, 11:27 PM
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#23
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
No one thought Gaudreau's deal was going to be less than < 7 million AAV, it's definitely below market. And Monahan's is likely at market value.
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Nobody was talking about a 6yr deal when those AAVs were being thrown out.
Johnny would have been above 7M if the deal were 7 or 8 years. This has been acknowledged, they dropped term to get the number down to 6.75M AAV.
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10-22-2016, 11:27 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Not signed Giordano to that boat anchor of a contract. The guy was not a top 10 overall dman in the league when he signed it and he definitely won't be top 10 in the league this year or for any foreseeable year during the contract.
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This is absolute revisionists history. Go back to the signing thread. That deal was adored by everyone here.
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10-22-2016, 11:27 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Firing a Jack Adams winner, failing to get Boudreau and ending up with Gulutzan was a disaster. Not the kind of mistake a team that should be on the upswing of a rebuild can afford to make.
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10-22-2016, 11:27 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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I think Stempniak is better than Bollig
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10-22-2016, 11:29 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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In order for us to have landed Boudreau, he would have also needed to be interested.
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10-22-2016, 11:29 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
This is absolute revisionists history. Go back to the signing thread. That deal was adored by everyone here.
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Not everyone 
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10-22-2016, 11:29 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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As I said in the Gulutzan thread the heat is on Treliving. Outside of the horrible Wideman and Stajan could tracts he has signed every player on the team. Going off the board with the coach hire is my biggest concern. Elliott was a risk but didn't cost much and has a lot of time to rebound.
Right now this team is no where close to having a window to win open and he has signed our superstar to a 6 year deal. If the window isn't open now we have very little time to actually put a contender on the ice
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10-22-2016, 11:30 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Granlund got another goal tonight for Vancouver. Guy looks like an NHLer. Shinkaruk cannot even make the Flames. The Bollig trade left something to be desired.
Raymond was an awful UFA signing, Englland is overpaid and Giordano is a boat anchor of a contract. Giordano is not below market value in 2020, he is about 5 million above market value that year. Monahan is the highest paid forward out of his draft year but he is not the best (Barkov is).
I think it is hard to rank Treliving above painfully mediocrely bad as a GM.
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and people think I have the bad hockey opinions
raymond and engelland were both bad, everyone knows that. the flames were supposed to be basement through this year, but gaudreau happened and Gio became a Norris level D. not a great start for Brad.
Gio is fine. He absolutely will turn it around. He'll be a great d-man at least until he is 35. there will be another round of compliance buyouts by then if need be.
monahan is the highest paid forward from his draft year because he has led his draft year in scoring. you can't go to a guy and say "hey, you're quantifiably better than all of your comparables, I'll pay you less than they got"
of course, Monahan is incredibly average in all other facets of the game, but he can score with the best of them, and scoring is what makes players money.
granlund was crap last year anyways and likely would have been lost on waivers this season. He's not better than Ferland, and GG (or Hartley) wouldn't bench Bouma in favor of him.
Brad has made a whole bunch of solid moves that all seem to be blowing up in his face right now. we're not living in irrational fear that he's going to trade Monahan for a 2nd liner and some spare parts, or one of our top prospects for a depth guy. His moves make sense.
his major, major failing so far is that he has been unable to have this team be ready for game 1 of the season. JG's contract should have been done in the summer, he shouldn't have waited until last minute to sign Versteeg and Grossmann (*pukes*). the game 1 roster should have been all playing together, building chemistry, working out kinks, no later than halfway through the pre-season. last year had the same problem with the goalie disaster. hopefully next year is better. if not, then we can restart this thread and it might actually have merit.
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10-22-2016, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
I think Stempniak is better than Bollig
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And Byron is better than Setoguchi, Raymond, and Versteeg.
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10-22-2016, 11:31 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Fire Treliving and Gulutzan please.
I am a season ticket holder and even the Usher in the PL section that has the Santa Clause beard doesn't understand why Hartley was fired.
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10-22-2016, 11:32 PM
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NOT Chris Butler
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Eakins 2.0.
I'm convinced if you want to win you need any 2 of the following 3 in a coach. Severe post concussion syndrome that has given you an anger/anti-social personality disorder. Two pocket dawgs and or 1 flight of stairs away from a heart attack. Or a scarred, busted up leathery face from your 4th line playing days in the ECHL.
Combine any two of those, and your gonna win.
Hire a pretty boy with more invested in hair product than The average Canadian has in RRSPs, your gonna lose.
Last edited by pylon; 10-22-2016 at 11:36 PM.
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10-22-2016, 11:33 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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Besides Gulutzan, people are mentioning the losses of depth players as reasons to fire Treliving?
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10-22-2016, 11:33 PM
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher
Fire Treliving and Gulutzan please.
I am a season ticket holder and even the Usher in the PL section that has the Santa Clause beard doesn't understand why Hartley was fired.
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Should the Usher in the PL section with the Santa beard understand the decisions upper management makes?
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10-22-2016, 11:35 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil
Finally, this thread is overdue.
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Overdue? When was it actually due?
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10-22-2016, 11:36 PM
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#37
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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10-22-2016, 11:36 PM
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#38
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Lifetime In Suspension
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There's a time to think and a time to act. This, gentlemen, is no time to think.
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10-22-2016, 11:37 PM
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#39
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by pylon
Eakins 2.0.
I'm convinced if you want to win you need any 2 of the following 3 in a coach. Severe post concussion syndrome that has given you an anger/anti-social personality disorder. Two pocket dawgs and or 1 flight of stairs away from a heart attack. Or a scarred, busted up leathery face from your 4th line playing days in the ECHL.
Combine any two of those, and your gonna win.
Hire a pretty boy with more invested in hair product than The average Canadian has in RRSPs, your gonna lose.
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Not that I disagree but
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10-22-2016, 11:37 PM
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RANDOM USER TITLE CHANGE
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
Besides Gulutzan, people are mentioning the losses of depth players as reasons to fire Treliving?
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Death by a thousand cuts. His reclamation projects never pan out. Even Bouma is overpaid.
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