10-17-2016, 03:58 PM
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#401
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
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Originally Posted by Spinach
I've always had a hard time understanding how adding teams in markets where hockey is at best an afterthought is supposed to benefit established fans like us.
"Growing the game" in non-traditional markets might be good for the owners, but how does that affect the fans? Sure, there might be a few more draftable players from the southern States. The talent pool isn't so thin that we're desperate for that, though; and adding teams further dilutes it.
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So is the talent pool good enough that we don't need to try to develop players in other places, or is it so thin that increasing the # of players by 3% is going to have a noticeable effect on the talent pool/level?
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10-17-2016, 04:05 PM
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#402
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz
So is the talent pool good enough that we don't need to try to develop players in other places, or is it so thin that increasing the # of players by 3% is going to have a noticeable effect on the talent pool/level?
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I phrased it poorly initially. I don't think the NHL talent pool is thin right now. Adding teams could negate any gains made from players developing in non-traditional markets. That's only a guess, though. If I'm wrong, then by all means let's "grow the game." If I'm right, then I fail to see how "growing the game" ought to matter to the millions of us who already follow it.
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10-17-2016, 04:09 PM
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#403
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In my office, at the Ministry of Awesome!
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Originally Posted by Spinach
I phrased it poorly initially. I don't think the NHL talent pool is thin right now. Adding teams could negate any gains made from players developing in non-traditional markets. That's only a guess, though. If I'm wrong, then by all means let's "grow the game." If I'm right, then I fail to see how "growing the game" ought to matter to the millions of us who already follow it.
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You honestly don't understand how the game having a larger presence, and all of the extra games, media coverage, and places to go see a game, mattes to those of us who already follow the game?
I know you already called out the guy who mentioned the original 6 teams, but I can 100% guarantee people were making the same statements as you were back then, and it seems to have turned out pretty well so far.
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10-17-2016, 04:31 PM
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#404
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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had some time on my hand on the train today and had some fun with the expansion draft simulator. Obviously there's going to be quite a few moves between now and then, but either way, this team is going to have some nice pieces to work with. Some teams are set up very well when it comes to the draft (Hurricanes, Leafs and Devils, for example), others are pretty much screwed without making a few moves (Blue Jackets, Lightning, Wild and Penguins, for example).
ANA - F Jakob Silfverberg - $3.75m
ARI - F Jamie McGinn - $3.33m
BOS - G Malcolm Subban - $0.863m
BUF - F Johan Larsson - $0.95m
CAR - F Joakim Nordstrom - $1.275m
CGY - D Jyrki Jokipakka - $0.75m
CHI - D Trevor van Riemsdyk - $0.825m
COL - D Nikita Zadorov - $0.894m
CBJ - D David Savard - $4.25m
DAL - F Radek Faksa - $0.863m
DET - F Tomas Jurco - $0.9m
EDM - D Brandon Davidson - $1.425m
FLA - D Mark Pysyk - $1.125m
LAK - F Kyle Clifford - $1.6m
MIN - D Matt Dumba - $2.55m
MTL - D Alexei Emelin - $4.1m
NSH - D Ryan Ellis - $2.5m
NJD - F Jacob Josefson - $1.1m
NYI - D Calvin de Haan - $1.967m
NYR - F Oscar Lindberg - $0.65m
OTT - F Matt Puempel - $0.9m
PHI - F Dale Weise - $2.35m
PIT - G Matthew Murray - $0.62m
SJS - F Matt Nieto - $0.735m
STL - F Dmitrij Jaskin - $1.0m
TBL - F Vladislav Namestnikov - $1.938m
TOR - F Kerby Rychel - $0.863m
VAN - F Markus Granlund - $0.9m
WSH - G Philipp Grubauer - $0.75m
WPG - G Michael Hutchinson - $1.15m
not a lot of firepower up front, but very nice defensively and especially in net.
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10-17-2016, 04:44 PM
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#405
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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The Dessert Knives
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10-17-2016, 04:50 PM
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#406
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CP Gamemaster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Gary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
had some time on my hand on the train today and had some fun with the expansion draft simulator. Obviously there's going to be quite a few moves between now and then, but either way, this team is going to have some nice pieces to work with. Some teams are set up very well when it comes to the draft (Hurricanes, Leafs and Devils, for example), others are pretty much screwed without making a few moves (Blue Jackets, Lightning, Wild and Penguins, for example).
ANA - F Jakob Silfverberg - $3.75m
ARI - F Jamie McGinn - $3.33m
BOS - G Malcolm Subban - $0.863m
BUF - F Johan Larsson - $0.95m
CAR - F Joakim Nordstrom - $1.275m
CGY - D Jyrki Jokipakka - $0.75m
CHI - D Trevor van Riemsdyk - $0.825m
COL - D Nikita Zadorov - $0.894m
CBJ - D David Savard - $4.25m
DAL - F Radek Faksa - $0.863m
DET - F Tomas Jurco - $0.9m
EDM - D Brandon Davidson - $1.425m
FLA - D Mark Pysyk - $1.125m
LAK - F Kyle Clifford - $1.6m
MIN - D Matt Dumba - $2.55m
MTL - D Alexei Emelin - $4.1m
NSH - D Ryan Ellis - $2.5m
NJD - F Jacob Josefson - $1.1m
NYI - D Calvin de Haan - $1.967m
NYR - F Oscar Lindberg - $0.65m
OTT - F Matt Puempel - $0.9m
PHI - F Dale Weise - $2.35m
PIT - G Matthew Murray - $0.62m
SJS - F Matt Nieto - $0.735m
STL - F Dmitrij Jaskin - $1.0m
TBL - F Vladislav Namestnikov - $1.938m
TOR - F Kerby Rychel - $0.863m
VAN - F Markus Granlund - $0.9m
WSH - G Philipp Grubauer - $0.75m
WPG - G Michael Hutchinson - $1.15m
not a lot of firepower up front, but very nice defensively and especially in net.
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They would need to give some UFAs some big money to hit the cap floor though, correct? Just at a glance you might not hit with the roster you have.
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10-17-2016, 04:54 PM
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#407
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spinach
Matthew Tkachuk is the son of an NHLer. He could just as easily have been from St. Louis or Winnipeg.
Nice strawman argument. Who said anything about going back to six teams?
Again, how does "attracting new fans" benefit those of us who already love the game? Why should we care?
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I used hyperbole to demonstrate that going from 6 to 30 teams hasn't diluted the talent pool.
And it shouldn't. They're not trying to benefit existing fans. That's my other point. You shouldn't care.
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10-17-2016, 05:03 PM
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#408
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazrim
They would need to give some UFAs some big money to hit the cap floor though, correct? Just at a glance you might not hit with the roster you have.
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I actually didn't keep the cap floor in mind, but looking at the rules, my roster would be compliant. Looks like Vegas must choose players with an aggregate cap hit of at least 60 percent of the salary cap. Given that the cap sits at $71.4m, they have to select players with a cap hit of at least $42.84m. The above roster has a cap hit of $46.873m.
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10-17-2016, 06:28 PM
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#409
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazrim
They would need to give some UFAs some big money to hit the cap floor though, correct? Just at a glance you might not hit with the roster you have.
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There will be some bad contracts made available is my guess (though they may all be NMC's, which is part of what makes them bad).
They might be able to climb close to the floor with a couple of those if they can be had.
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10-17-2016, 11:13 PM
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#410
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A Fiddler Crab
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Chicago
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Comparing the Expansion Draft Simulator with the list of UFA's at Capfriendly and I was kinda stunned to see the list of 35+ aged players who are going to be UFA's at the end of this season. Granted, a lot of these guys are long retired and it's just their contracts coming up, but imagine this team ten years ago:
Jagr - Datsyuk - Iginla
Marleau - Thorton - Williams
Doan - Savard - Gionta
Kunitz - Fisher - Neil
Pronger - Campbell
Streit - Markov
Roszival - Oduya
Miller
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10-17-2016, 11:15 PM
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#411
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Franchise Player
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Miller signing in Vegas makes all kinds of sense, it's not California but it's close to LA and his wife.
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10-24-2016, 09:31 AM
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#412
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Was at the Stones concert in Vegas. T-Mobile arena is incredible. Mick opined on his name choices: Blackjacks, Hangovers or Hookers.
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10-24-2016, 03:39 PM
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#413
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Scoring Winger
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Las Vegas Ace's High!
They could skate out to the Sasha Semenoff Orchestra and the Sam Rothstein
dancers!
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11-07-2016, 07:50 PM
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#414
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Steve Carp @stevecarprj
It's set: Las Vegas NHL team name to be revealed 5:30 p.m. Nov. 22 at Toshiba Plaza. Free admission. Foley, Bettman and GMGM to be there.
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11-07-2016, 09:20 PM
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#415
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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$100 on it being the Desert Knights.
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11-07-2016, 09:35 PM
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#416
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Could Care Less
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$100 on it being the Dessert Knights.
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11-07-2016, 09:40 PM
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#417
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heep223
$100 on it being the Dessert Knights.
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Every night is Dessert Night.
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11-07-2016, 09:55 PM
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#418
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Franchise Player
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$100 on Nighthawk Knights.
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11-08-2016, 12:32 AM
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#419
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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should just be simple...the Knight nights.
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11-08-2016, 04:39 AM
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#420
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On Hiatus
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Calgary Alberta Canada
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Black night sports and entertainment is already the company that owns the team.So I am guessing it will be Black Knights
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