Jemma was the star last night. All the best scenes IMO. Her reaction to Ward was just priceless. Also, way to rep Monty Python. "I'm feeling much better!" was the best line of the night lol.
Jemma was the star last night. All the best scenes IMO. Her reaction to Ward was just priceless. Also, way to rep Monty Python. "I'm feeling much better!" was the best line of the night lol.
That whole think where Sky tries to use her powers on Ward and she doesn't have them, and he thrusts his hand to her and says "Are we doing this now"
Was pretty funny.
I was wondering if the actress that played Gemma was sick last night because her voice sounded completely different then it usually does.
I felt so sorry for Phil because frankly he was such a weak man in this episode. He basically watched that boy get marched away and just accepted it.
I was thinking that we haven't seen Mace, Mack or Radcliffe yet and they weren't even mentioned.
But it really makes sense for Radcliffe to be in the resistance because I'm sure when he got into that world and saw that it was a terrifying Hydra world that he wouldn't be happy. I'm sure that Mace's regret is faking being a hero. I kept expecting him to be an accountant for Hydra. Mack, I'm still convinced that his biggest regret was joining shield so he might have side stepped this whole thing and he will be the toughest guy to get back.
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Mack, I'm still convinced that his biggest regret was joining shield so he might have side stepped this whole thing and he will be the toughest guy to get back.
Also, he has his daughter in this world. I don't think he'll want to let that go. FeelsSadMan
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I wonder if his biggest regret as well is Yo-Yo and we find a computer Yo-yo in this world.
Why is that important? Because Yo-Yo and to an extent his daughter would be inhumans. To an extent I think that non shield world Mack would be a toe the line kind of guy, until Hydra shows up at his door to take his daughter and wife in for tests.
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Also, looks like I was wrong about Jemma being the head of the Resistance. But at least I was right about there being a Resistance! I'm gonna guess Mace is the front man on that one. And obviously Radcliffe as the head science officer.
Just spend the last week catching up on this show, hadn't seen anything from season 4. And while I like what they did with Ghost Rider, I'm a little bumed that they brought one of the most badass characters in the Marvel universe on the most family friendly show they have. He should have his own Netflix series at the very least
Loving the Agents of Hydra spin though, my immediate thought when watching the last episode was the mirror universe episodes from Star Trek
Fantastic episode with one real problem is that it moved at such a fast pace that you hardly had time to take a breath. However when they slowed things down it was because they wanted to interject something utterly soul crushing.
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May is a complete monster in this world. She used Mack and his daughter Hope to expose Daisy which lead to her capture by Fitz
Clearly Mack's big regret in the real world was his daughter, so in the end when he joins shield that big regret because that he was ashamed of selling out Daisy in front of his daughter.
Aida/Ophelia has always been about becoming more then her programming to feel and be a real person and you can see that when she rages at Radcliffe about being treated like a thing or a slave. Her rage was directed completely at Radcliffe for using her and keeping her in a closet. Her whole quest in this world is basically to control this world and on top of that prove that she's human through her relationship with Fitz.
Speaking of Fitz, it was a heartbreaking scene when Simmons convinced Ward not to kill Fitz by stating that he was brain washed, and she was in love with him and he wouldn't hurt anyone, only to see him shoot and kill Agnes brutally. There was a moment when Fitz had confronted Ophelia about Simmons being in this world where it seemed like he was remembering, but then he easily killed Agnes and tortured a captured Daisy who he knows is a unhuman.
Speaking of Radcliffe it was clear that he is completely in denial that his actions caused this hell. He thought the Framework was going to be a paradise even though Ophelia/Aida had manipulated events in the frame work to create this world. He also tried to convince Fitz that he was a good guy and was shocked at the final death of Agnes.
Coulson was the comedy foil in this episode, he clearly felt that something in the world was wrong but he was convinced that it was the soap that Hydra made them use that was brainwashing them so there was a great comedy string about Coulson bragging about making his own soap. It was also funny to see the former head of Shield, the ass kicker Coulson as the fish out of water .
Mace is the head of the resistance, and Coulson completely geeked out about his uniform. But this is a different Mace, self assured and decisive in what he does.
Grant Ward is not Grant Ward we know that and Radcliffe was confused until he realized that this wasn't hive but the fellow before that. But you have to wonder, if Aida/Ophelia can manipulate the entire Frame work, why can't she manipulate Grant Ward. Could this be a long con by Ward who will betray them again.
Elizabeth Henstridge has been amazing this ear in her role as Simnons and you could literally feel her heart break when the love of her life Fitz ruthlessly executed Agnes.
When he has Daisy dragged off to be tortured he snarled that he knows exactly who he is. Iain De Caestacker has really nailed down the sadistic doctor.
This is probably the second strongest story line in the run of this series only slightly behind the rise of Hydra storyline.
Like I said a great episode that maybe needed to have a little less story line if only so we could absorb the tragedies and the soap stuff.
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The Framework is such an awful, evil construct. Because you know when they get out of this, the psychological ramifications it will have on everyone will be world-shattering.
Fitz (or Simmons for that matter) will probably never get over killing Agnes or torturing Daisy. Plus it sorta seems like Fitz is remembering the other world a little bit, but choosing this version of him to run with.
Daisy will probably resent Fitz and May forever, because... you know...beatings and torture. At least the whole Ward thing doesn't seem to be deeply affecting her yet. Seems like she's been able to separate that Ward from the real Ward.
Mack losing, then having, then probably losing his daughter again.
May being the monster she is in this world, basically single-handedly causing the rise of Hydra.
Coulson will probably come out of this the least scarred, and will be the only person to keep this team from falling apart post-Framework.
The Framework is such an awful, evil construct. Because you know when they get out of this, the psychological ramifications it will have on everyone will be world-shattering.
Fitz (or Simmons for that matter) will probably never get over killing Agnes or torturing Daisy. Plus it sorta seems like Fitz is remembering the other world a little bit, but choosing this version of him to run with.
I think that relationship is pretty much done, because frankly I think that Fitz remembers the other world, and in that other world because he never thought or cared about the ramifications of what he was doing he caused the rise of Aida and other events. At least here in the framework he can hide behind it not being the real world and him being able to control the effects. There's also the seductive ability of the frame work that Daisy talked about. I tend to think that when this is over a few people are going to be booked for Tahiti vacations.
that shooting of Agnes was awful to watch by the way because she did such a great job of playing terrified, and now she's dead forever.
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Daisy will probably resent Fitz and May forever, because... you know...beatings and torture. At least the whole Ward thing doesn't seem to be deeply affecting her yet. Seems like she's been able to separate that Ward from the real Ward.
There's no doubt that Fitz is going to expose Daisy to the crystals, the question is does she become Quake here or something even more horrible.
Remember that this framework was originally designed around May since the previous ones the spa and chasing Aida failed to contain her. So I tend to think that the program is very effective on her and she might be the last one to break free. For all we know in the end, she might not want to leave.
Ward is code, but he's redeeming himself, so I wonder if they download him into a LMD in the end, even though I tend to think that LMD's will not be allowed to exist at the end of this.
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Mack losing, then having, then probably losing his daughter again.
May being the monster she is in this world, basically single-handedly causing the rise of Hydra.
Coulson will probably come out of this the least scarred, and will be the only person to keep this team from falling apart post-Framework.
This story arc will end tragically.
May more then Aida/Ophelia/Lady Hydra or Fitz is in my mind the lynch pin of the Framework, this reality was created based out her and her biggest regret more then anyone else. I almost wonder if she's the key to the exit more then AIDA.
Coulson will survive, but this team is being destroyed, Fitz and Simmons can never go back if Fitz is at all aware of who he is on the other side.
Daisy and May can because I think that May is completely brainwashed and is living the choices.
But I have to wonder, because Aida is still in the other world as well, she's operating in two worlds, and Shield is down for the count right now with really only Yo-Yo left.
What if they get out of the Framework and find that Hydra rose in the real world?
I mean we still have modified watchdog leader there as well.
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Knowing this show and Whedon universes in general, they will absolutely remember and deal with the consequences moving forward. Joss and Jeb are too good of writers just to go with a clean wipe like that.
Last week I talked about the episode last week having too fast of a pace and not allowing us to experience the sheer emotional moments. While this week was incredibly packed they really found a way to make the moments that hurt really hurt, and there were really a lot of them.
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Daisy remains a prisoner of Hydra and Fitz pretty much gleefully tortured her and beat her within an inch of her life. But she refused to break, and AIDA offered to give another perspective. She then explained that she had simply removed one regret from everyone's life and those changes caused the Framework to evolve into the world that we have now. The big hinge is really May and her decision to save the little girl that lead to Hydra taking over.
There was a wonderful heart to hear moment between Ward and Simmons where Ward basically said he didn't know who he was in the other world, when she informed him that he killed lots of people he apologized. It was actually a nice moment.
This episode was all about breaking a prisoner who had information on a Hydra weapon that could kill all inhumans. So Coulson and Mace went to a Hydra re education center. Of course Aida learned this and sent May to kill Mace who's been excellent in the role as a inhuman hero (Clearly his change is he's actually an inhuman. May was juiced up with the same formula that made Cal a rage monster in season two. She tracked down Mace and they had a really brutal fight, but Mace spared her life.
We found out that Fitz's regret centers around his father who's alive in this world and has a fairly brutal philosophy about life and clearly Fitz has picked that up.
We found out that the Shield Agent that they had to break out was Tripp, which was a pretty awesome return. We also found out that Hydra is running a re-education camp for the students that Phil allowed them to haul away and it was a direct relation to the re-education that we saw in Clockwork Orange.
May goes to kill the Patriot and finds out that Hydra is holding children there which shook her, she then witnessed Mace giving his life to save a child after Fitz ordered a Hydra Jet to bring the building down children and all to kill him.
We saw more of Radcliffe's regrets when he and Daisy talk through a screen, he also informs her that there's another back door.
The episode ends with two pretty cool scenes. First May visits Daisy in her cell and asks her if she's an inhuman. Daisy replies that she's powerful enough to bring down the building. May replies that she hopes so and smashes a crystal and we see Daisy going into a cocoon with a smile on her face.
We then go back into the real world as Aida inspects all of the hero's wired into the Framework she goes to Mace who is dead and turns off his monitor
This is an incredibly strong season and an amazing storyline with amazing performances by the actors. While they have a bit of the humor of the normal shield episodes for the most part this is just plain a evil grim world.
Fitz is plainly cruel and evil thanks to the influence of his father and the lack of influence by his mother who his father talks about with a sneer..
I would match this season up to the second half of the season one Hydra take over of shield.
Amazing and sad episode
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Ya, I was sad to see Mace get killed off. I really liked that character. Suspicious of him at first but he turned out to be a hell of a good egg. Disappointing loss.
Ya, I was sad to see Mace get killed off. I really liked that character. Suspicious of him at first but he turned out to be a hell of a good egg. Disappointing loss.
At least we got...
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Trip!! Here's hoping Bobbi and Hunter or even DEATHLOK! make an appearance too.
Another dead character comes back to life as Sunil Bakshi returns, in the real world he's a long dead Hydra goon, in this version he's Hydra's version of Bill O'reilly, including a scene where he completely hits on a female co-worker, that wasn't accidental and pretty well done.
Daisy became Quake and basically celebrated it by throwing Aida/Ophelia out a window breaking her back. In the frame work she's human, I kept expecting her to get up terminator like, but nope, she's paralyzed in the frame work.
The looking glass device that Hydra is developing is actually being built in the real world on the oil rig owned by Ivanov. The looking glass device will allow Aida to build a human body which will allow her to circumvent her programming and kill all of the main characters in the show, her current "Limitation forces her to protect them all except for Simmons and Daisy who are a threat to the Frame Work.
The relationship between Fitz and his father is complicated and we saw his dad's real character as Radcliffe basically told him that in the real world he abandoned Fitz and became a drunk and a loser after which Radcliffe was beaten within an inch of his life. So what's complex, in a scene after Fitz is told that the Shield agents escaped he threw a hissy fit and his dad dressed him down about it forcing Fitz to take a step back. After that though, Fitz informed him that he wouldn't tolerate his failure in finding the Shield fugatives.
All of the main characters have decided to leave the framework and it was decided that before they went they would release the footage of the destruction of the enlightenment center and the death of the Patriot.
This episode was about the very complex relationship between Grant Ward and Daisy. He learned that he can't go with them to the other world and he lamented that he was such a son of a bitch in the real world. Daisy basically told him that by what he had done here that there was clearly some good in real Grant. Ward then decided to pull off the suicide play and stop Hydra from stopping the broadcast. We then learn that people have gathered in front of the station to fight Hydra. The Revolution seems to have begun.
Meanwhile Fitz asked crippled Aida if he could go with her to the real world and she agreed, I think its going to be really tough to redeem him if he leaves the framework and tries to kill the shield agents in the same world.
At the same time Ivanov tells Aida in the real world that he has discovered the whereabouts of Daisy and Simmons on the Shield Jet and he's going to shoot it down.
This was a plot heavy episode with a real key focus on Ward. I can't help but think that this is the end for him and he had a great moment where he asks Daisy if he can have his Daisy back.
There were some great fight/action scenes in this episode as well, and the scene where Ophelia is blown out the window was really well done.
At the start of this series I think we all thought that Chloe Bennett was a weak actress, but she's really grown into this role. I also wanted to say that Mallory Jensen has been outstanding as Aida, and her goal isn't completely evil as she merely wants to become human and be treated as an equal.
On another note, I really hope that this show is renewed, its now gotten to the point where this season and last season have been really strong, and on top of that Phil Coulson's character really deserves a send off season.
BTW as an addon there was a really neat little easter egg for Bill Paxton in this one as during a news broadcast on the info line it noted the passing of American hero John Garrett, it was a really nice touch from the writers. RIP Bill
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