Take this in conjunction with the immediate dismissal of 2745 judges including the 5 highest judiciary board with power to investigate the president, and this has false flag written all over it. Limited military arrests and firing of all these judges, that have zero to do with the coup, less than an hour after the coup ends without investigation confirms that this was planned in advance. This coup was nothing more than Erdogan's engineered excuse to execute a massive purge of his remaining opposition.
He has already rigged elections so the legislative branch is almost entirely in his hands. Now he has destroyed the opposition in the military and purged the judiciary. I expect the appointment of Imams and Clerics with no legal training to key judicial positions in very short order. Turkey has a major problem on it's hands that can only end with massive bloodshed.
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The naturalization of Islamic radicals = unfettered access to the rest of the EU.
I'm going to bypass the completely idiotic claim that Syrian refugees = Islamic radicals and just point out that Turkey is not a EU country.
Turkey is also not going be a EU country in the foreseeable future. Those talks never got very far and have now been dead for years.
Even further, the whole idea runs completely contrary to Erdogans interests. Europe's backing of Erdogan is based pretty much only on Erdogan willing to block Syrians coming to Europe with any means necessary. (Including shooting women and children.)
Plus many Syrian refugees are kurds. He's not going to naturalize any more kurds.
Also, naturalizing Syrians would make Turkey less Islamic, not more. Turkey is over 95% Islamic, while Syria is only 87% Islamic, while the rest are mostly Christians.
This sounds like Erdogan planned this whole thing to consolidate more power, what a monster this guy is.
Some main stream media are now speculating this, BBC and CNN have mentioned it and with the way Erdogan is treating the main prisoners (no lawyers/family visitors) he wants them stiffled. He even wants to change the constitution so he can execute them. what he really needs is to come face to face with a bullet.
Short term yes, but long term no, Turkey's proud secular past is dying, and that has long term ramifications for the region.
Very true. The West made a huge mistake once again in backing another dictator.
The whole situation in Turkey also has "possibility of future civil war" written all over it. The country already has an armed resistance force (the kurds) that now have strong influence south of the border and connections to other opposition groups within Turkey.
Turkey is going from a stabilizing force to a risk area because once again when the chips are down the West went with the dictator instead of supporting democracy when it needed support.
And people still wonder why not everybody sees West is as the good guys.
Very true. The West made a huge mistake once again in backing another dictator.
The whole situation in Turkey also has "possibility of future civil war" written all over it. The country already has an armed resistance force (the kurds) that now have strong influence south of the border and connections to other opposition groups within Turkey.
Turkey is going from a stabilizing force to a risk area because once again when the chips are down the West went with the dictator instead of supporting democracy when it needed support.
And people still wonder why not everybody sees West is as the good guys.
The EU watched in dismay, as Erdogan's son bought ISIS oil and pushed weapons back the other way, Erdogan's wife ran ISIS field hospitals and Erdogan himself slowing seizing power at home, hoping democracy would correct this mess. Now the French foreign minister is calling Turkey a risk and "no longer a viable ally in the fight against ISIS", as Erdogan has seized absolute power, they realize the situation is irrecoverable.
It's not necessarily the EU and the West were bad guys. Being democratic countries themselves its hard to criticize an ally's election outcomes, even if it is rigged, without a lot of proof. The EU either didn't have that or more likely they really needed an ally in the region as a counter towards Islamic and Russian influences in Europe. If anything the West is extremely naive in thinking that democratic process would be enough to solve the problem of Erdogan with Turkey eventually "self-correcting". This is clearly not going to be the case now.
Very true. The West made a huge mistake once again in backing another dictator.
Turkey is going from a stabilizing force to a risk area because once again when the chips are down the West went with the dictator instead of supporting democracy when it needed support.
And people still wonder why not everybody sees West is as the good guys.
What do you mean? Erdogan has strong grass-roots support in Turkey. He won his first election fairly. The West did nothing to put him in power or sustain him. He's not the leader Western governments would pick for Turkey, but he's the one the Turkish people have chosen
Are you really suggesting the West should have backed a military coup against the democratically government of a NATO ally? The pro-Western anti-Erdogan officers did not have popular support.
Just because he's authoritarian doesn't mean he's unpopular. It's hard for many of us in the West to get our heads around, but in many cases authoritarian leaders who quash dissent do so with broad popular support. Erdogan is far and away the most popular leader in Turkey. The pro-Western, secular elements in the country hate and fear him, but they're a minority in the country, and becoming a smaller minority every day as liberals flood out of the country to immigrate to the West.
Turkey is analogous to the 'two Americas' we talk about when we refer to liberal, coastal urban types vs the conservatives of fly-over country. Except in Turkey, the liberal coastal types only make up about one-quarter of the country, and the conservatives of fly-over country are far, far more conservative.
The Turkish people have chosen a conservative, authoritarian leader who governs in the interests of the conservative religious majority. It sucks. But it's not the result of Western meddling.
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The EU commissioner is accusing Erdogan of having all the lists of the recently purged prepared prior to the "coup" attempt. Erdogan going full dictator. Purges 8000 police officers, Islamic religious police incoming.
US is threatening Turkey with loss of it's NATO membership after Turkey accuses US of complicity in the recent coup attempt. If I were the US I would get on securing the nukes currently stationed in Turkey and getting them out of those airbases fast.
