What will Sam Bennett get?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ullr

I'm pretty certain that Draisatl is the #2 center for the Oilers and has been that way for the majority of the season. He basically has been a Malkin-esque player behind McDavid.

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Well, I'm pretty sure Draisailt has been on McDavid's wing most of the season. He played with McDavid over 80% of the time (even strength) and I doubt he played centre in any of those instances.

He also played with RNH 6.4% of the time and RNH ain't playing wing either.


http://dobberhockey.com/players/Leon-Draisaitl

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ullr

I'm pretty certain that Draisatl is the #2 center for the Oilers and has been that way for the majority of the season. He basically has been a Malkin-esque player behind McDavid.

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Draisaitl plays the majority of his time with Maroon and McDavid. You are wrong if you think he put up those points as the second line C

Oilers second line is the 666 trio of Lucic-Nuge-Eberle

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, I'm pretty sure Draisailt has been on McDavid's wing most of the season. He played with McDavid over 80% of the time (even strength) and I doubt he played centre in any of those instances.

He also played with RNH 6.4% of the time and RNH ain't playing wing either.


http://dobberhockey.com/players/Leon-Draisaitl

What is actually funny is Draisaitl does line-up for faceoffs more often than McDavid does (McDavid only has taken 57 draws in the playoffs and is clicking at a horrific 33.3%). McDavid is most definitely the centre on that line during play, but it's neat to see just how much they're sheltering him in the faceoff circle.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What is actually funny is Draisaitl does line-up for faceoffs more often than McDavid does (McDavid only has taken 57 draws in the playoffs and is clicking at a horrific 33.3%). McDavid is most definitely the centre on that line during play, but it's neat to see just how much they're sheltering him in the faceoff circle.

That's funny. Although I think McDavid took the majority of draws in the regular season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's funny. Although I think McDavid took the majority of draws in the regular season.

Draisaitl took more faceoffs in the regular season as well (972 to McDavid's 806). Draisaitl had a 49% success rate while McDavid again was bad at 43.2%.


Worth noting in Bennett's case as well is that he played a minuscule 99:59 on the PP this year.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

he also showed improvement all season long while being buried with our worst player.

Bennett had 7 points in his last 30 games. That's fewer than Brouwer, Chiasson, or Engelland.

[Monahan For Mayor]

2.5x2

[Love]

Originally Posted by CSharp

All I have to say is why couldn't the Flames can't tank properly get Draisaitl instead.

Draisaitl isn't better than Bennett

[Love]

Stolen from HfBoards:

Sam Bennett, away from Troy Brouwer (588.38 TOI): 51.48 CF%, 51.22 xGF%, 94.8 PDO
Leon Draisaitl, away from Connor McDavid (500:42 TOI): 47.86 CF%, 44.78 xGF%, 99.9 PDO

Drai is a good player in his own right, but he isn't leagues ahead of Bennett. He's put in the most opportune situations to produce, while Bennett receives the opposite. Continue playing Bennett as a checker and then wonder why he isn't producing.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Love

Draisaitl isn't better than Bennett

On what planet are you living. I despise the Oilers but you'll have a really, really hard time explaining this one to me

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Love

Draisaitl isn't better than Bennett

There is blind homerism and then there is stupidity

[Love]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

On what planet are you living. I despise the Oilers but you'll have a really, really hard time explaining this one to me

Check above friend.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Bennett had 7 points in his last 30 games. That's fewer than Brouwer, Chiasson, or Engelland.

three points in the final 5 games
2 goals in four playoffs game and was one of the best cgy forwwards outside Mony in all areas of the ice.

[Caged Great]

I'd prefer to spend a little more in terms of AAV if we can get a 3rd year on the deal just to help space contracts a bit better. Make things flow smoother so we don't get hit with a big cap crunch in a couple seasons.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Love

Stolen from HfBoards:

Sam Bennett, away from Troy Brouwer (588.38 TOI): 51.48 CF%, 51.22 xGF%, 94.8 PDO
Leon Draisaitl, away from Connor McDavid (500:42 TOI): 47.86 CF%, 44.78 xGF%, 99.9 PDO

Drai is a good player in his own right, but he isn't leagues ahead of Bennett. He's put in the most opportune situations to produce, while Bennett receives the opposite. Continue playing Bennett as a checker and then wonder why he isn't producing.

So you take way the best player Draisaitl plays with and the worst one Bennett plays with then we compare? Then we ignore counting stats? That's not very good analysis

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

So you take way the best player Draisaitl plays with and the worst one Bennett plays with then we compare? Then we ignore counting stats? That's not very good analysis

Yeah, that was absolutely awful.

[Love]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

So you take way the best player Draisaitl plays with and the worst one Bennett plays with then we compare? Then we ignore counting stats? That's not very good analysis

It shows how they played when they weren't affected by playing with boosts or anchors. Drai couldn't even maintain even levels of possession without McDavid. Now again that's not to say that he isn't a great player, but if Edmonton drafted Bennett and we drafted Drai, and Bennett started his career on Hall's wing and then on McDavid's wing, whlie Drai started it consistently on the third line with Chiasson's and Brouwer's, we'd be complaining how we wish we got Bennett instead.

[Frank MetaMusil]

I'm willing to have patience with Bennett. Al Arbour always said you can teach a scorer to check. This was how St. Louis became a complete player. I'll be disappointed if he's dealt before a coaching move, whenever that happens.

[bigrangy]

Draisaitl has impressed me in international competition, he shows skill in ways that Bennett just hasn't so far.

However, the situations they find themselves in when playing in the NHL couldn't be more disparate. Draisaitl is attached at the hip to the 3rd or 4th best player in the world and Bennett is forced to carry several players that barely belong in the top 500.

Draisaitl's lack of success away from McDavid isn't anything to be terribly worried about, but when you get ready to pay a guy 7 million dollars it would be nice to know that he can succeed on his own, and judging by the numbers, he doesn't exactly do that.

Bennett, on the other hand, is not being put in a position to succeed. Thanks to the composition of the Flames' forwards, the right position for Bennett's development is not the right position to put him for the Flames to win games. This needs to be fixed. He is the best prospect this team has drafted during the rebuild and they're using him as a checking 3rd liner. It's unforgivable and I hope that his long term development isn't already ruined because of it.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

On what planet are you living. I despise the Oilers but you'll have a really, really hard time explaining this one to me

NOTE: When I started writing this, I planned to look across all situations. Turns out the data behind the Corsica WOWY tool is broken outside of 5v5 (Milan Lucic has a -450% CF away from Draisaitl, for example).

I'll dive a little deeper into this one since I'm the one who originally posted the stats quoted above on HFBoards. There are two reasons for Draisaitl's impressive numbers: McDavid, and an astronomically high on-ice shooting percentage.

So, let's try to figure out what Draisaitl's season looks like when you control for those two factors.

Goals for/60
McDavid + Draisaitl: 3.52
McDavid w/o Draisaitl: 3.61
Draisaitl w/o McDavid: 2.43
First, notice that McDavid scores more away from Draisaitl than he does with him, to counter the "Draisaitl helps McDavid too!" argument.

Draisaitl spent 1175 minutes at 5v5 this season. With him on the ice, they scored 60 goals, Draisaitl picking up 40 points. We'll assume his .666 points / goal scored is constant. If you extrapolate, using his 2.43 goals/60 without McDavid and the same ice time, you get 47 goals instead of 60. At the same points / goals ratio, he's down to 31 points.

Of course, that's assuming his on-ice shooting percentage of 12.85% (!!!) is sustainable. That would be the 6th highest shooting percentage of all skaters (>600 minutes) in the last 5 years. Bring that down to a more reasonable 9.5% (the average of the top 10 5v5 scorers), and Draisaitl's down at 23 5v5 points. Bennett had 20 5v5 points this year despite shooting 6.5%.

And that's just the offensive side of things. Defensively, Bennett's shot suppression metrics are miles ahead of Draisaitl's without even needing to control for linemates. Bennett's line allows 2.25 xGA/60, while Draisaitl allows 2.76. Away from Brouwer, Bennett's down at 2.02 xGA/60 while Draisaitl's at 2.96 away from McDavid.

Draisaitl has a massive, massive lead in PP production that likely can't be explained away, but 5v5 the gap is massively overstated.