2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is Poirier the only example of a player with one good AHL season which didn't translate into a successful NHL career? That is just an example EE gave in a very balanced post. Do you disagree with his premise?

Are you aware of his drinking that he went to rehab for?

[AC]

Well its an automatically flawed example given the well documented substance abuse issues Poirier ran into.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Are you aware of his drinking that he went to rehab for?

Yes I am. What does have to do this suggesting Jankowski may need more time? As I stated, Poirier not a good example, but that is not my point.

Here are the 3 forwards from the 2015/16 AHL all rookie team.

Austin Czarnik
Mikko Rantanen
Frank Vatrano

Only Rantanen played a full year in the NHL

Here are the 2014 all rookie forwards.

Viktor Arvidsson
Connor Brown
Charles Hudon

Arvidsson and Brown had good NHL seasons in 2016/17. Hudon has done nothing at NHL level.

Jankowski may still need more time or may not even make it. The good news is that is there is a track record of the majority of guys who make the all rookie team making the NHL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yes I am. What does have to do this suggesting Jankowski may need more time? As I stated, Poirier not a good example, but that is not my point.

Here are the 3 forwards from the 2015/16 AHL all rookie team.

Austin Czarnik
Mikko Rantanen
Frank Vatrano

Only Rantanen played a full year in the NHL

Here are the 2014 all rookie forwards.

Viktor Arvidsson
Connor Brown
Charles Hudon

Arvidsson and Brown had good NHL seasons in 2016/17. Hudon has done nothing at NHL level.

Jankowski may still need more time or may not even make it. The good news is that is there is a track record of the majority of guys who make the all rookie team making the NHL.

Czarnik played 49 games after his rookie AHL season, which is pretty good. And he's a 5'9" 160 pounder so he had that against him as well. Vatrano played 39 games (and 44 the next year), and is also short (though he squeezes over 200 pounds into 5'9" . Arguably they were going after the same job, too.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is Poirier the only example of a player with one good AHL season which didn't translate into a successful NHL career? That is just an example EE gave in a very balanced post. Do you disagree with his premise?

I expect to see Jankowski play games in both Calgary and Stockton this year, but to use Poirier as an analogue for comparison is ridiculous.

I don't know off hand, but am curious to see how other AHL rookies with similar success to Jankowski managed in their second season.

[Finger Cookin]

Cool, I found the Jankowski thread!

My take on him is that he won't start the season on the main roster, but he will finish the regular season on it and will be contributing most nights as one of the 12 forwards dressed. I'll be following his progress with great interest like everyone else.

[sureLoss]

Apparently the assumption/understanding that LTIR cannot be used during the off season has been proven wrong according to James Mirtle of the Athletic.

https://theathletic.com/74826/2017/0...lary-cap-hell/

The Leafs no longer need to dump salary to sign Connor Brown. In fact assuming Mirtle is correct in his reporting, any team can use LTIR during the off season.

Capfriendly has broken down the Leafs situation:
https://www.capfriendly.com/articles...he-maple-leafs

[kehatch]

How about we wait for camp before arguing if Jankowski should or should not make the team.

As for Jagr, a decent case can be made to see how RW sorts itself out in the early season. But having someone like Jagr at a low cost would give the coaches a lot more options at a position we are very shallow at.

Summer optimism is making us look stronger in the position then we actually are. Frolik is great and Versteeg is decent when healthy, but that is a terrible start to a depth chart. And it falls off dramatically from there.

Given our problems with slow starts, I would be more comfortable with another solid option. If the right option is there at the right price.

[Anduril]

Off topic but I would immediately subscribe to an Athletic Calgary if it was available.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by kehatch

How about we wait for camp before arguing if Jankowski should or should not make the team.

As for Jagr, a decent case can be made to see how RW sorts itself out in the early season. But having someone like Jagr at a low cost would give the coaches a lot more options at a position we are very shallow at.

Summer optimism is making us look stronger in the position then we actually are. Frolik is great and Versteeg is decent when healthy, but that is a terrible start to a depth chart. And it falls off dramatically from there.

Given our problems with slow starts, I would be more comfortable with another solid option. If the right option is there at the right price.

The lack of depth at RW is compensated for by excellent depth down the middle, and solid depth on LW. Virtually all but a very small handful of NHL teams have some holes that need to be filled in a capped league. This doesn't really concern me much.

[Zulu29]

I think I'd rather the team sort out Bennett and Ferland's contracts before trying to sign anymore free agents.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The lack of depth at RW is compensated for by excellent depth down the middle, and solid depth on LW. Virtually all but a very small handful of NHL teams have some holes that need to be filled in a capped league. This doesn't really concern me much.

Even if this is true, that doesn't mean the GM should ignore the problem. But I don't think its necessarily true. We saw Bennett struggle last season because the Flames don't have a winger to play with him. We saw Gaudreau and Monahan have a tough start, in part due to what we had to put on their RW.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Off topic but I would immediately subscribe to an Athletic Calgary if it was available.

Well, there's certainly enough sportswriters looking for work.

[Cgycowboy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Highly unreliable considering this site also posted the Ovechkin rumor. Seems like it is slow for rumors so these sites are picking up Eklund trash now for hits

Sportsnet just suggested the absolutly great fit that jagr would be on Calgarys top line. I see him as a Hudler equivalent except he is Jagr

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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I think I'd rather the team sort out Bennett and Ferland's contracts before trying to sign anymore free agents.

This is probably why there has been little action from the Flames. They really need to nail down those costs before they start spending money they may not have.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Gee, I wonder why that is. I guess we should simply expect the same result with Jankowski since there is no good explanation for why Poirier struggled the past two years... or is there?

I know you are a mod now but you are getting annoying at times with your contrary posting to anything that doesn't put the Flames in a surefire upwards trajectory. You do not know exactly when he started drinking and you know that he's not the only player in AHL history that didn't translate to the NHL. Its seems nothing less than saying Jankowski is a slam dunk to be a quality NHL player will suffice in your eyes.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know you are a mod now but you are getting annoying at times with your contrary posting to anything that doesn't put the Flames in a surefire upwards trajectory. You do not know exactly when he started drinking and you know that he's not the only player in AHL history that didn't translate to the NHL. Its seems nothing less than saying Jankowski is a slam dunk to be a quality NHL player will suffice in your eyes.

I think we can assume it was sometime after he turned legal drinking age... which hasn't been long.

The annoying part is comparing a player to another player who's development was stunted due to a known problem. It doesn't make any sense.

[blender]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

I think we can assume it was sometime after he turned legal drinking age... which hasn't been long.

The annoying part is comparing a player to another player who's development was stunted due to a known problem. It doesn't make any sense.

Not sure why you would assume that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

...Its seems nothing less than saying Jankowski is a slam dunk to be a quality NHL player will suffice in your eyes.

This was not the source of my objection, and you know it:

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I expect to see Jankowski play games in both Calgary and Stockton this year, but to use Poirier as an analogue for comparison is ridiculous...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know you are a mod now but you are getting annoying at times with your contrary posting to anything that doesn't put the Flames in a surefire upwards trajectory. You do not know exactly when he started drinking and you know that he's not the only player in AHL history that didn't translate to the NHL. Its seems nothing less than saying Jankowski is a slam dunk to be a quality NHL player will suffice in your eyes.

Bolded part is most certainly true. TC sees the world in Flames colored glasses, and there have been some eye opening examples but you have to admit it doesn't seem to affect how he moderates posters and threads. I disagree with him here and there but he doesn't take disagreement personally. He is basically the anti moon. I guess being a mod is not so much about having a balanced take but more about being even tempered which I respect.