[News] Flames recall Rasmus Andersson UPD: recall converted from emergency to regular

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

FWIW Eric Francis was on the FAN 960 this afternoon with a very vocal impeachment of Wideman's character and attitude. I suspect that he is likely the source of this information.

Yup, important to note the Wideman 'attitude' thing is coming from Francis who we all know and love for his objective truthful takes on the flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Giordano-Brodie 25+ mins
Bartkowski-Engelland 22 mins
Andersson-Wideman 13 mins.

No need to give him any more than that, and this is a worst case scenario. Hamilton will probably be back next game and it would be

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Engelland
Bartkowski-Wideman

I suspect you won't see Gio-Brodie. Engelland probably goes to top pairing if both are out. I dislike it but I think he can handle it for a game.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect you won't see Gio-Brodie. Engelland probably goes to top pairing if both are out. I dislike it but I think he can handle it for a game.

Gulutzan immediately went to a Gio-Brodie tandem when the injuries happened last game. Obviously he doesn't want to, but there's no better partner for Gio than Brodie if BOTH Hamilton and Stone are out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Please be joking...Wideman got points playing on a team playing pond hockey and no system.

He was bad then and is worse now.

He was fine then. This year he was getting decent points, as well. Mid range stats all around in the NHL before he was scratched. He isn't as good as Bart and Stone, especially in their respective roles, but he had some pretty good games, especially during the first mini-streak the Flames had.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Gulutzan immediately went to a Gio-Brodie tandem when the injuries happened last game. Obviously he doesn't want to, but there's no better partner for Gio than Brodie if BOTH Hamilton and Stone are out.

I thought I saw Engelland with Gio. But on second thought that might have been with only Hamilton out.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Giordano-Brodie 25+ mins
Bartkowski-Engelland 22 mins
Andersson-Wideman 13 mins.

No need to give him any more than that, and this is a worst case scenario. Hamilton will probably be back next game and it would be

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Engelland
Bartkowski-Wideman

I think when you call up anderson you play him on the 2nd pairing. You let brodie play with him and enjoy the game of a solid swede. 2 guys who understand the game and move around like skaters.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think when you call up anderson you play him on the 2nd pairing. You let brodie play with him and enjoy the game of a solid swede. 2 guys who understand the game and move around like skaters.

You cannot put a guy in his first pro-season, playing in his first NHL game, on the 2nd pairing in good conscience. Not unless that guy is a top 10 pick with blue chip talent, and even then I think twice about it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I thought that Wideman on some nights was Calgary's best defencemen. If not him, it was definitely Engelland. Maybe it was a solid 2 months of dependable play. Somehow he lost something again - confidence? He seems like a guy that perhaps suffers from confidence issues. If the Flames get that Wideman back that was good for two months this season, he will do a decent job of plugging that hole next to Giordano.

Also, Wideman wasn't always crappy. He was an absolute beast that year the Flames made the playoffs - offensively AND defensively.

However, if it is the same Wideman of the last month before being scratched, then yes, this will hurt. I for one just hope that Wideman has overcome whatever issue crept into his game again, and gives the Flames mistake-free dependable minutes filling a large hole on the team - at whatever capacity he is given.

I am looking forward to seeing Andersson, but the Flames are in the stretch drive for the playoffs. These are not the games you just hand a young guy who may or may not be ready, just to have him develop. Whomever gives the Flames the best chance to win is who should be playing. You dress Andersson when he is ready for a look, AND you have Hamilton and Stone in the lineup so you can really shelter him.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

You cannot put a guy in his first pro-season, playing in his first NHL game, on the 2nd pairing in good conscience. Not unless that guy is a top 10 pick with blue chip talent, and even then I think twice about it.

All that and no practice

[indes]

If we use a callup on Andersson can he be sent down and brought up again?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I thought that Wideman on some nights was Calgary's best defencemen. If not him, it was definitely Engelland. Maybe it was a solid 2 months of dependable play. Somehow he lost something again - confidence? He seems like a guy that perhaps suffers from confidence issues. If the Flames get that Wideman back that was good for two months this season, he will do a decent job of plugging that hole next to Giordano.

Also, Wideman wasn't always crappy. He was an absolute beast that year the Flames made the playoffs - offensively AND defensively.

However, if it is the same Wideman of the last month before being scratched, then yes, this will hurt. I for one just hope that Wideman has overcome whatever issue crept into his game again, and gives the Flames mistake-free dependable minutes filling a large hole on the team - at whatever capacity he is given.

I am looking forward to seeing Andersson, but the Flames are in the stretch drive for the playoffs. These are not the games you just hand a young guy who may or may not be ready, just to have him develop. Whomever gives the Flames the best chance to win is who should be playing. You dress Andersson when he is ready for a look, AND you have Hamilton and Stone in the lineup so you can really shelter him.

By some nights, do you mean maybe one or two games and then the other 50 he was one of the worst?

I respect your posts on this site but you're way too nice and positive when talking about the Flames. I know some say I'm negative but come on Wideman a beast defensively when we made the playoffs? He was terrible defensively. I remember the talk being "well at least he's out scoring his mistakes" because he was making so many.

Wideman even after that good year offensively was a black hole defensively. That's some revisionist history calling him a beast defensively.

Wideman had never been even above average defensively let alone a beast.

[dying4acup]

We are trying to make the playoffs, and then at some point win the cup.

Obviously Wideman plays. Even if he's been an ass since the 2 defenseman were acquired. He is still an NHL defenseman with years of experience.

I hate Wideman as much as anyone, but how do you risk throwing a first year pro into the lineup with 2 point on the line? With 2nd place in the division on the line? With home ice in the playoffs on the line?

You put a rookie in and he screws up, you screw up the rookie, and you screw up the season.

Please all of you know that I wanted to use the F word, but I didn't.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Giordano-Brodie 25+ mins
Bartkowski-Engelland 22 mins
Andersson-Wideman 13 mins.

No need to give him any more than that, and this is a worst case scenario. Hamilton will probably be back next game and it would be

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie-Engelland
Bartkowski-Wideman

More likely they do what Chicago has done in the past and more or less run 4 pairings.

Giordano - Wideman
Brodie - Engelland
Bartkowski - Andersson
Giordano - Brodie

Also Bartkowski in the top 4 will be just as bad as Wideman in the top 4 if we are being honest here. He's only in the lineup over Wideman because he's more physical and he's a LHS, defensively he's no better at all.

[djsFlames]

Maybe Francis is himself a believer of the Wideman effect and is just making up crap to convince those listening that dressing him is not in the team's best interest.

Yes Eric, we all would prefer the team part ways with the guy, but he's still an experienced defenceman and those guys have some value over pro rookies.

Johnny came out and defended Wideman yesterday, so I dunno. If these rumours about him b####ing and not being a team player were true, surely the team wouldn't rush to his side so quickly.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by indes

If we use a callup on Andersson can he be sent down and brought up again?

He can simply be turned into a regular call-up without going through the "down and back up" process. Someone explained earlier in the thread the circumstances in which he can play when he's an emergency call-up (basically both Hamilton and Stone would have to be unable to play). If we wanted to play him with only one of those two injured he'd have to be a regular call up.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

He can simply be turned into a regular call-up without going through the "down and back up" process. Someone explained earlier in the thread the circumstances in which he can play when he's an emergency call-up (basically both Hamilton and Stone would have to be unable to play). If we wanted to play him with only one of those two injured he'd have to be a regular call up.

The question was, I think, if he becomes a regular callup, can he be sent down and recalled later without fuss?

[sureLoss]

If he is converted to a regular call up he can be sent back down and called up.

However each time he is called up on a non-emergency it will count as one of the four call ups. In other words, if they call him up 4 times (non-emergency) they will use all their call ups.

The Oilers famously misunderstood this rule when it was first introduced and assumed it meant they could call up and down 4 different players with impunity. They were shocked when the league informed them they were out of recalls.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If he is converted to a regular call up he can be sent back down and called up.

However each time he is called up on a non-emergency it will count as one of the four call ups. In other words, if they call him up 4 times (non-emergency) they will use all their call ups.

The Oilers famously misunderstood this rule when it was first introduced and assumed it meant they could call up and down 4 different players with impunity. They were shocked when the league informed them they were out of recalls.

[Gaudfather]

Because Andersson is an emergency recall - he can only get into the lineup if both Hamilton and Stone are out tonight right? If just Stone is out, then Wideman needs to slot in before Andersson, otherwise it would invalidate the emergency status. Am I looking at that right Sureloss?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Because Andersson is an emergency recall - he can only get into the lineup if both Hamilton and Stone are out tonight right? If just Stone is out, then Wideman needs to slot in before Andersson, otherwise it would invalidate the emergency status. Am I looking at that right Sureloss?

Yes, but as it has been pointed out many times in this thread, the Flames can convert his emergency recall into a non-emergeny recall if they want to and then they can dress Andersson over Wideman.