Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

TMX opened today

https://globalnews.ca/news/10461907/...ect-opens/amp/

[Firebot]

One the best accomplishments Trudeau has done, despite the criticism he got for stepping in (which absolutely was necessary for Canada's future prospects)

[Fuzz]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.7190804


NDP decide to continue to make Conservatives' heads explode.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.7190804


NDP decide to continue to make Conservatives' heads explode.

That's one way to say living under Liberal's shadow I guess.

The most non shocking news of the week after a week of ho-humming for the media.

[Harry Lime]

I usually don't click on links too often, when I'm scanning through.

So, I'm guessing that NDP MPs have developed the power to explode heads, like scanners, and only when powered by the shadow of a giant liberal kaiju. I feel like clicking the link might be a disappointment.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Yes, and PP / CPC will tackle all of these issues when elected right?

I'm playing the long-game here.

The Liberals / NDP need to lose so badly that they turf every member of their party and start fresh. Then we get some leadership together that wants to focus on fixing issues instead of virtue signalling and gaslighting Canadians.

Then we boot the CPC and vote that party in.

Unfortunately none of that is happening without the Liberals / NDP bromance getting killed.

[MoneyGuy]

PP is claiming that meth and crack are legally smoked in BC. hospital rooms in front of “breastfeeding” nurses and six people are dying every day as a result.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

PP is claiming that meth and crack are legally smoked in BC. hospital rooms in front of “breastfeeding” nurses and six people are dying every day as a result.

Yeah he has a tendency to make #### up

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Azure

Rampant drug use in province that has port access has nothing to do with supply in province with no port access? How do you think the drugs are getting into Canada? #### into the streets by geese on the way south?

Wait...

So right now, we have a ton of people in AB using illicit drugs, and paying a lot of money to dealers and organized crime to secure said drugs.

But if only those jerks in BC would stop doing drugs, the people selling the drugs would decide that it's too hard to move drugs into Alberta from the ports ... even though they are doing exactly that already today?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm playing the long-game here.

The Liberals / NDP need to lose so badly that they turf every member of their party and start fresh. Then we get some leadership together that wants to focus on fixing issues instead of virtue signalling and gaslighting Canadians.

Then we boot the CPC and vote that party in.

Unfortunately none of that is happening without the Liberals / NDP bromance getting killed.

I thought the same thing would happen with Prentice... and Kenney. It just kept getting worse

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I thought the same thing would happen with Prentice... and Kenney. It just kept getting worse

Just goes to show...you should have voted for the 'Lesser Evil' but noooo....now look what you've all done!

Ironically everyone who voted Liberal and didnt elect other candidates? You're responsible for this debacle. Its entirely your fault!

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

PP is claiming that meth and crack are legally smoked in BC. hospital rooms in front of “breastfeeding” nurses and six people are dying every day as a result.

You are making a pretty disingenuous comment as the two statements by PP are independent of each other and not related. He didn't claim that 6 people are dieing every day smoking crack in front of nurses as you state. 6 people are dieing, on average, per day from drug overdoses in BC. This is a stat for 2023.

Here is video of the exchange and comments made during Question Period:
https://globalnews.ca/video/10463610...drug-use-in-bc

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You are making a pretty disingenuous comment as the two statements by PP are independent of each other and not related. He didn't claim that 6 people are dieing every day smoking crack in front of nurses as you state. 6 people are dieing, on average, per day from drug overdoses in BC. This is a stat for 2023.

Here is video of the exchange and comments made during Question Period:
https://globalnews.ca/video/10463610...drug-use-in-bc

They're both idiots.

Poilievre is using Jr. High Debate tactics against Trudeau and...Trudeau doesnt know what to do.

These are our leaders? We're boned.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I usually don't click on links too often, when I'm scanning through.

So, I'm guessing that NDP MPs have developed the power to explode heads, like scanners, and only when powered by the shadow of a giant liberal kaiju. I feel like clicking the link might be a disappointment.

Can they start with PierrePest and then after Jagmeet and Trudeau.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

TMX opened today

https://globalnews.ca/news/10461907/...ect-opens/amp/

Left leaning people always like to point to this project as if this was some kind of olive branch to oil and gas, or some kind of positive. I guess it is positive, in a similar sense that I am still alive and so I should be happy with that. If your bar is set so ridiculously low then sure, anything is a positive. I guess people like me shouldn’t be greedy, but here’s some context to this project:

-Kinder Morgan originally signed up shippers in 2012 and filed the application Dec 2013 to the NEB. Their projected online date was 4.5 years ago, Dec 2019.
-the original cost estimate from KM was $5.4 Billion.
-due to the total clusterfata our country has created with anything oil and gas related, the feds had to step in and buy it for $4.5 Billion. Today, based on a quick google the expansion project (not new line, fataing expansion of an existing line) has a capital cost of >$30 Billion (!!!).

So this expansion of an existing line is 6x the original cost estimate and took over 10 years from application to build.

So to the poster who asked on the previous page, or anyone else who wonders why Canada is falling behind economically or why our standard of living has deteriorated or is set to continue to massively deteriorate, maybe just ponder these timelines and numbers? People bitch about the UCP wasting billions on a failed pipeline in the USA (completely correct to bitch about that misstep by the way), but in comparison it’s nowhere near this boondoggle catastrophe.

Like, the feds had no way to get this done sooner or cheaper? We all think private industry couldn’t have done this cheaper? Some of what’s going on in BC is completely insane when it comes to resource projects. Like, totally jump the shark holy #### these people are not connected to reality type situation. There needs to be some public resources going into teaching Canadians about energy, energy uses, energy forms, realities of our energy future and honesty about what Canadians are facing. That won’t happen, and I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this post, but hopefully the more moderates that frequent this thread will agree with me that as much as this is a “success” because it’s in-service, it’s also a world famous colossal disaster for Canada’s international reputation about how business gets done here, what type of timelines and costs can be expected, and why there will never ever ever be another major pipeline ever built. And that’s not a good thing, if you like having an economy and believe in JTs flood the country immigration policies.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

PP is claiming that meth and crack are legally smoked in BC. hospital rooms in front of “breastfeeding” nurses and six people are dying every day as a result.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Yeah he has a tendency to make #### up

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/wev...tal-nurses-say

According to CHEK News, some nurses say they have to walk through toxic plumes of fentanyl as patients openly smoke drugs in their rooms. One nurse was even told not to breastfeed her child, in case her milk had been contaminated by the drugs she was exposed to at work.

Laura Martin, a Victoria General Hospital nurse and union steward, told several media outlets that, while non-smoking policies exist, they are simply not being enforced, and nurses are afraid to report drug exposure and violence because “when they have reported, nothing has changed.”

Lily, a Vancouver Island nurse with decades of experience working in hospital settings, told me that drug use and harassment are omnipresent at her hospital, which she characterized as a “glorified homeless unit” (a pseudonym has been used to protect her employment).

She said that drug-addicted patients openly smoke meth and fentanyl in their rooms “every day”; that she has personally witnessed patients inject heroin or get drunk with no consequences; and that dealers traffic illicit substances in the hallways “right in front of everyone.”

“We’re told that these are their belongings — all the drugs they have in their rooms. And if we touch anything we can be charged with theft,” she said. “It’s insanity”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...the%20province.

Entitled An Urgent Response to a Continuing Crisis, the 48-page report was compiled by a panel of 21 subject experts from health authorities and related organizations.

It's the third report of its kind to lay bare the scope and complexity of the crisis, and the need for solutions to stem the pace of people dying from toxic drugs — which is currently about six every day across the province.

The only ones making stuff up are socialist apologists in full denial of reality and would rather throw BC nurses wellbeing under the bus than concede on ideology about drug decriminalization and pat themselves on the back (which is especially sad considering what they dealt with during the pandemic situation)

How is this ideologic mentality any different than the freedumb convoy / vaccine deniers?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Left leaning people always like to point to this project as if this was some kind of olive branch to oil and gas, or some kind of positive. I guess it is positive, in a similar sense that I am still alive and so I should be happy with that. If your bar is set so ridiculously low then sure, anything is a positive. I guess people like me shouldn’t be greedy, but here’s some context to this project:

Left leaning? I think you can do a little better than that Coffee. But if you can’t, and if that was directed at me please point out specifically what views I have that you think are wrong and why.

I posted the link because I thought it was relevant news considering there’s a lot of people who claimed that it would never get built. I don’t disagree that the path here was far from ideal, does that make you left leaning too? (Whatever you define left leaning as)

-Kinder Morgan originally signed up shippers in 2012 and filed the application Dec 2013 to the NEB. Their projected online date was 4.5 years ago, Dec 2019.
-the original cost estimate from KM was $5.4 Billion.
-due to the total clusterfata our country has created with anything oil and gas related, the feds had to step in and buy it for $4.5 Billion. Today, based on a quick google the expansion project (not new line, fataing expansion of an existing line) has a capital cost of >$30 Billion (!!!).

Yup. Is your solution to allow government and private businesses to overrule the courts?

So this expansion of an existing line is 6x the original cost estimate and took over 10 years from application to build.

Yes it took almost twice as long as Kinder Morgan had predicted. Was their estimated timeline reasonable given the long-standing legal/land issues that would be a major factor in this project?

So to the poster who asked on the previous page, or anyone else who wonders why Canada is falling behind economically or why our standard of living has deteriorated or is set to continue to massively deteriorate, maybe just ponder these timelines and numbers?

Hopefully one day you’ll be as passionately on board with advocating for addressing all of the other factors that are having a far greater impact on the standard of living in this country that you generally(based on your posting history) don’t appear to care much about unless you’re bringing it up to defend O&G or blame Trudeau for something.

If you ever do get there my only hope is that you’ll do a better job of advocating for addressing those issues than making arguments like a pipeline getting delayed is the reason why groceries and housing are becoming too expensive.

People bitch about the UCP wasting billions on a failed pipeline in the USA (completely correct to bitch about that misstep by the way), but in comparison it’s nowhere near this boondoggle catastrophe.

You do realize we will recoup the costs for this one through the sale, long term royalties and tax revenue generated by this pipeline right? I don’t think you can possibly make an economic argument for how that is the worse of the 2 outcomes.

Like, the feds had no way to get this done sooner or cheaper? We all think private industry couldn’t have done this cheaper? Some of what’s going on in BC is completely insane when it comes to resource projects. Like, totally jump the shark holy #### these people are not connected to reality type situation. There needs to be some public resources going into teaching Canadians about energy, energy uses, energy forms, realities of our energy future and honesty about what Canadians are facing. That won’t happen, and I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this post, but hopefully the more moderates that frequent this thread will agree with me that as much as this is a “success” because it’s in-service, it’s also a world famous colossal disaster for Canada’s international reputation about how business gets done here, what type of timelines and costs can be expected, and why there will never ever ever be another major pipeline ever built. And that’s not a good thing, if you like having an economy and believe in JTs flood the country immigration policies.

I, and I think most people as well, would agree that the issues that created delays need to be addressed but we’re not going to do so by distracting people from what those issues actually are. It isn’t going to matter what the regulatory framework looks like so long as the areas where a project is going are ones that the courts won’t allow those regulations to be applied to by the government. How you have spent so many years complaining about this and haven’t figured that out yet is beyond me.

We agree on more than you probably think but man oh man do you ever seem to go out of your way to obfuscate a lot of issues.

Must be an up or down leaning people thing to do.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The only ones making stuff up are socialist apologists in full denial of reality and would rather throw BC nurses wellbeing under the bus than concede on ideology about drug decriminalization and pat themselves on the back (which is especially sad considering what they dealt with during the pandemic situation)

How is this ideologic mentality any different than the freedumb convoy / vaccine deniers?

The socialists actually want people not to die and are willing to try different methods to reduce the amount of deaths, as opposed to the conservative attitude of "#### those useless junkies.

The first few months of 2024 have shown declines in overdose deaths from previous years, but good for you to trot out a report from 6 months ago. BC is also seeing lower fatal overdose rates than Alberta in recent months, so please tell me more about how the Conservative approach is working wonders.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Left leaning people always like to point to this project as if this was some kind of olive branch to oil and gas, or some kind of positive. I guess it is positive, in a similar sense that I am still alive and so I should be happy with that. If your bar is set so ridiculously low then sure, anything is a positive. I guess people like me shouldn’t be greedy, but here’s some context to this project:

-Kinder Morgan originally signed up shippers in 2012 and filed the application Dec 2013 to the NEB. Their projected online date was 4.5 years ago, Dec 2019.
-the original cost estimate from KM was $5.4 Billion.
-due to the total clusterfata our country has created with anything oil and gas related, the feds had to step in and buy it for $4.5 Billion. Today, based on a quick google the expansion project (not new line, fataing expansion of an existing line) has a capital cost of >$30 Billion (!!!).

So this expansion of an existing line is 6x the original cost estimate and took over 10 years from application to build.

So to the poster who asked on the previous page, or anyone else who wonders why Canada is falling behind economically or why our standard of living has deteriorated or is set to continue to massively deteriorate, maybe just ponder these timelines and numbers? People bitch about the UCP wasting billions on a failed pipeline in the USA (completely correct to bitch about that misstep by the way), but in comparison it’s nowhere near this boondoggle catastrophe.

Like, the feds had no way to get this done sooner or cheaper? We all think private industry couldn’t have done this cheaper? Some of what’s going on in BC is completely insane when it comes to resource projects. Like, totally jump the shark holy #### these people are not connected to reality type situation. There needs to be some public resources going into teaching Canadians about energy, energy uses, energy forms, realities of our energy future and honesty about what Canadians are facing. That won’t happen, and I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this post, but hopefully the more moderates that frequent this thread will agree with me that as much as this is a “success” because it’s in-service, it’s also a world famous colossal disaster for Canada’s international reputation about how business gets done here, what type of timelines and costs can be expected, and why there will never ever ever be another major pipeline ever built. And that’s not a good thing, if you like having an economy and believe in JTs flood the country immigration policies.

The Feds shouldn’t get much if any credit for buying the pipeline given the hurdles they raised, nor for the outrageous overruns, but give them credit for sticking with it despite extenuating circumstances. The pandemic, catastrophic weather, and various other issues played a big part in the overruns and I’m not convinced even a competent private sector manager wouldn’t have thrown in the towel long ago even if they had gone ahead with the project. As much of a cluster it turned out to be, in hindsight it also would not have be completed without the government under the circumstances, IMO.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Left leaning people always like to point to this project as if this was some kind of olive branch to oil and gas, or some kind of positive. I guess it is positive, in a similar sense that I am still alive and so I should be happy with that. If your bar is set so ridiculously low then sure, anything is a positive. I guess people like me shouldn’t be greedy, but here’s some context to this project:

-Kinder Morgan originally signed up shippers in 2012 and filed the application Dec 2013 to the NEB. Their projected online date was 4.5 years ago, Dec 2019.
-the original cost estimate from KM was $5.4 Billion.
-due to the total clusterfata our country has created with anything oil and gas related, the feds had to step in and buy it for $4.5 Billion. Today, based on a quick google the expansion project (not new line, fataing expansion of an existing line) has a capital cost of >$30 Billion (!!!).

So this expansion of an existing line is 6x the original cost estimate and took over 10 years from application to build.

So to the poster who asked on the previous page, or anyone else who wonders why Canada is falling behind economically or why our standard of living has deteriorated or is set to continue to massively deteriorate, maybe just ponder these timelines and numbers? People bitch about the UCP wasting billions on a failed pipeline in the USA (completely correct to bitch about that misstep by the way), but in comparison it’s nowhere near this boondoggle catastrophe.

Like, the feds had no way to get this done sooner or cheaper? We all think private industry couldn’t have done this cheaper? Some of what’s going on in BC is completely insane when it comes to resource projects. Like, totally jump the shark holy #### these people are not connected to reality type situation. There needs to be some public resources going into teaching Canadians about energy, energy uses, energy forms, realities of our energy future and honesty about what Canadians are facing. That won’t happen, and I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this post, but hopefully the more moderates that frequent this thread will agree with me that as much as this is a “success” because it’s in-service, it’s also a world famous colossal disaster for Canada’s international reputation about how business gets done here, what type of timelines and costs can be expected, and why there will never ever ever be another major pipeline ever built. And that’s not a good thing, if you like having an economy and believe in JTs flood the country immigration policies.

Amen. The absolute stupidity of the BC position and those that supported it on TMX had and has me depressed on the future of Canada. Somehow they favored a situation where the Lower mainland would supply their own consumption with tankers of jet fuel and gasoline refined at Cherry Point, Washington instead of allowing export tankers and supplying their own market with domestic product from TransMountain. Basically one way or another tankers are in and out of that harbor, but, hey let's pick the option to pay higher prices and deny any domestic companies from capturing that value chain.