Douglas Garland Trial - Guilty- 1st degree- 3 counts / 75 years no parole.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That is not a huge market, that's a market for disturbed people.

Pickton's book was so popular you can barely find it in stock... anywhere... because nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole.

I fail to see the distinction between a market who would read a graphic account of murders written by people who interviewed the murder; and a market who would read the exact same book written by the murder.

As far as Pickton's book goes, you can't find it because the publisher pulled it due to public backlash of it being sold when BC doesn't have a Son of Sam law. Not because no one would buy it.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I doubt anyone wrote a book for John Wayne Gacy. Those books were written about him.

Yes I get that. I worded it poorly.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I fail to see the distinction between a market who would read a graphic account of murders written by people who interviewed the murder; and a market who would read the exact same book written by the murder.

As far as Pickton's book goes, you can't find it because the publisher pulled it due to public backlash of it being sold when BC doesn't have a Son of Sam law. Not because no one would buy it.

like it or not there is a distinction. An author can interview a murderer and use their judgement on the level of detail and narrative to include, murderers don't usually show the same amount of restraint or consider what might be in bad taste... on account of them having zero regard for human life and all.

Your realisation of the distinction isn't relevant. There isn't a mainstream market for books written by murders where they detail their own murderers, period. And that's a good thing.

Pickton's book got pulled you say? That's weird, I thought that sort of thing was hugely popular?

[CliffFletcher]

Victim impact statements were not part of our legal system until 1988. I'm not really clear on what changed in our society or justice system that prompted their introduction.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Pickton's book got pulled you say? That's weird, I thought that sort of thing was hugely popular?

Well that whole post seemed rather condescending. I did say it was pulled. I also said it was pulled due to public backlash because Pickton could get proceeds from the book, and the publisher says they were tricked into publishing it, not because no one was buying it.

I also never said they were hugely popular, and I'm not saying it's something I'd ever read. I just think there's more of a market for it than you like to think there is. Daniel Rolling and Pee Wee Gaskins both wrote books, Gaskins apparently in quite detail. And they've both sold copies.

[PepsiFree]

then if you're not suggesting murderers have written books about their murders that are hugely popular and have a big market, why did you respond?

Because I was responding to someone who did say that, and that I didn't believe it to be true.

If your point is that murderers write books and sometimes there are people that buy those books, I'm not denying that. I specifically said people who do buy those books seem disturbed to me.

EDIT: and apologies for being condescending, I just wasn't sure why you disputing my claims that there wasn't a hugely popular market for that particular type of book. It seemed like you were being contradictory for the sake of it.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I specifically said people who do buy those books seem disturbed to me.

That's the part I was responding too. More or less agreeing with puckluck, and suggesting that maybe calgarygeologist isn't '####### in the head" as was previously suggested.

True crime in general isn't my cup of tea, but I don't know if one has to be disturbed to be interested in it I guess was my point. Wasn't being contradictory just for the sake of it, apologies for coming off that way.

[Acey]

Real MVP is the Multiple Murders Act that now allows them to stack parole ineligibility periods. Doesn't make a huge difference here, but I'm still glad it exists.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, I'm not denying the popularity of true crime books/movies/TV.

I'm denying the popularity of books written BY murderers detailing their thought process and murders. I cant imagine who that would appeal to.

The Gates of Janus by Ian Brady (Moors Murderers) is a highly acclaimed book, not only does he explain him and his girlfriends murders of kids he try's to explain the sick minds of other famous serial killers like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy.

The Making Of A Serial Killer by Danny Rolling, He was executed and I believe his estate was sued for the profits of the book.

Final Truth: The Autobiography of a Serial Killer by Donald Gaskins. I believe this was a popular book.

Killer! A journey of murder written from the manuscripts of the very sick,violent but smart Carl Panzram, probably the most famous serial killer book ever. I think a movie or doc was made from this book.

Probably more but written under pen names with help because of legal issues.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by Pizza

I'd rather hear this story:

"Vigilante Inmates: The story of how we made a daily routine of making Garland's life a living hell"

"Repeatedly #####ed by a pineapple - the Douglas Garland jail time story"

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, I'm not denying the popularity of true crime books/movies/TV.

I'm denying the popularity of books written BY murderers detailing their thought process and murders.I cant imagine who that would appeal to.

Geologists.

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Killer! A journey of murder written from the manuscripts of the very sick,violent but smart Carl Panzram, probably the most famous serial killer book ever. I think a movie or doc was made from this book.

Ugg, just read his wiki page. What a sicko. I would never read the book, the wiki page was enough for me.

[CaptainCrunch]

It was interesting this morning on CTV they had a Calgary defense lawyer on and they talked about the case. When they asked him about the possibility of an appeal, he was very negative on their being any grounds for an appeal because of the job that the police and the prosecutor and the judge did. He basically stated that any appeal would be a hail mary that would probably be denied before it got to another trial.

[calgaryblood]

So Garland was assaulted by several inmates.

Don't care if it makes me effed in the head but that made my day.

[CedarMeter]

And it's begun! http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/02/18...-remand-centre

[jschick88]

Global News has confirmed Garland was taken by ambulance to the Foothills Hospital just before 11 p.m. Friday night with minor injuries.

Sources say the 57-year-old was in a common area of the provincial jail when he was attacked from behind by four inmates. He received multiple blows to the head and midsection.

Garland remained in hospital Saturday under observation and is receiving further tests.

Sources confirm the incident was captured on CCTV at the Remand Centre.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3258571/do...ating-sources/

[4X4]

I'd be fine with him living for another 74 years, and getting beaten up every day.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by jschick88

http://globalnews.ca/news/3258571/do...ating-sources/

Good.

[Kjesse]

I hope none of the attackers suffered bruises or skinned knuckles.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by jschick88

http://globalnews.ca/news/3258571/do...ating-sources/

Someone's gotta leak that footage