US Senate passes Keystone XL bill

[nik-]

They need to bring in some pipe on H1B visas.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

The new challenge is that American steel mills can't make the steel required for the pipeline....
(The original pipe for kxl was apparently imported)

For low temperature pipeline grade steels Evraz can provide it through American Mills. Anything X52 and lower is easily sourced domestically and given the pressures and temperatures of this line I'm not sure it would make economic sense to go with higher end steel than that.

And it really isn't until you get into the X80 grades that you start being limited to Japanese and German mills. And even with that product both US, China and Brazil have expanded their offerings.

Checking Evraz's website they say they supply grades up to x100 now though I'd have a harder time believing that the x100 is American made.

X100 means 100,000psi tensile yield strength

[me_dennis]

A project I was working on was qualifying a pipe mill in Panama Cit, FL for X70 and X80 steel, so they are able to produce it.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by me_dennis

Source? sounds pretty unlikely that steel would flatten that easily...

Stack it 2-3 tiers high...and wait 7 years...Gravity will always win

[Nufy]

American mills may be able to produce the steel required...but can they do it economically.

Mots of my recent projects have used pipe procured overseas.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Stack it 2-3 tiers high...and wait 7 years...Gravity will always win

[OMG!WTF!]

This article answers a lot of the questions...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15E22M

About half of the pipe came from American mills.owned by foreign companies. US firms likely don't have the capacity to build this sort of pipe. Some of the existing pipe will have to be replaced, but not all. Trump's directive has wording that will allow pipe to come from other places..."new" pipe and "maximum extent".

[Senator Clay Davis]

American steel argument is irrelevant now.

The Keystone XL Pipeline will not be subject to President Donald Trump's executive order requiring infrastructure projects to be built with American steel, a White House spokeswoman said today.

Trump signed the order calling for the Commerce Department to develop a plan for U.S. steel to be used in “all new pipelines, as well as retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipelines” inside the U.S. projects “to the maximum extent possible.”

By the White House’s judgment, that description would not include Keystone XL, which developer TransCanada first proposed in 2008.

“The Keystone XL Pipeline is currently in the process of being constructed, so it does not count as a new, retrofitted, repaired or expanded pipeline,” the White House spokeswoman said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...emption-235639

[Nufy]

“The Keystone XL Pipeline is currently in the process of being constructed"

It is ??????

[Robbob]

That sounds like it has been a night job.

[Azure]

Hasn't the 2nd leg of the pipeline already been built? Maybe that is what they are referring too.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Nufy

“The Keystone XL Pipeline is currently in the process of being constructed"

It is ??????

[Senator Clay Davis]

Over 200,000 gallons have leaked from Keystone in South Dakota

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/key...eak/index.html

[Fuzz]

welllll ####.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Over 200,000 gallons have leaked from Keystone in South Dakota

https://cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/16/us/ke...eak/index.html

Welp, have fun with the environmentalists in Vancouver now, KM.

[Fuzz]

A decision on KXL was coming on Nov 20 from Nebraska, as well, if I remember correctly.

[Tinordi]

Thanks NDP

[Frequitude]

It’s definitely an environmental event not to be underlooked, but I hate the way the media always reports spills in units like gallons and litres instead of the conventional unit of measure (barrels).

[Looch City]

I wonder how it failed, this pipeline isn't very old...

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

It’s definitely an environmental event not to be underlooked, but I hate the way the media always reports spills in units like gallons and litres instead of the conventional unit of measure (barrels).

Conventional to who? An industry insider or investor?

In 99% of countries convention is to measure fluids in litres. Where this incident occurred the conventional unit of measure is gallons. People can relate 200,000 gallons to jugs of milk or gas tanks in their vehicle.

I am by no means anti pipeline (in fact strongly pro), but when an incident like this occurs the average person should have the impact explained to then in a unit they can understand and relate to.