I'm a bit late and missed this with NHL playoffs and just saw it now but really sharp performance by Trevor Noah at this year's WH Correspondents Dinner.
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Does he actually or did you make that up? Because if you're going to attribute a view to him he doesn't hold, it should probably be something consequential like anti-semitism or transphobia, since that's effectively what he just tried to do with me..
They dont have to be sent back to the states, all it needs is some southern ####hole, Mississippi or Arkansas would be my guess coming up with their own laws using the States rights this ruling establishes, obviously their law gets challenged and then the mostly politically motivated court adheres to its own precedent and rules that as terrible as it is banning mixed marriage is all part of the rich tapestry that makes the states unique
This ruling doesn’t enshrine states rights. It’s stating that there is no unstated right to abortion addressed in the constitution therefore it falls to the state.
Whereas Bostock follows cites the civil rights act against discrimination by gender. States rights only applies when it isn’t addressed by the constitution.
If this conversation leaks into Canadian politics, I'm going to be very pissed off.
It will. Everything is the same in terms of far right/QAnon followers now, no more separation of countries. All it will take is the proper match in Canada and a sizeable portion of our population will follow and champion the same absurd BS that you see down there on any topic.
I already see abortion stuff being huge with QAnon coworkers and friends that I interact with. It's coming for sure.
Going to be terrible when that stuff comes up here and is widespread. Watching an HBO special called Four Hours at the Capitol about Jan 6 right now and it would be incredibly depressing to see groups in Canada being idiots like their American idols.
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An old article on the origins of the anti-abortion movement in the US that is still super relevant:
But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.
I normally like what a lot of this guy says, but his argument for Bernie here being, "he's no worse than Biden, in fact he's in much better shape mentally than Biden is, so why not? If you're better than Biden and Biden is the current president, why not?" is weak but he is an admitted Bernie Bro.
The Bern would be 83 by January 2025 if he were to win.
Regarding abortion, if you look at polling in the late '70s/early '80s the support for it was quite high:
1976: "The right of a woman to have an abortion should be left entirely up to the woman and her doctor."; 67% agreed and 26% disagreed
1977: "Should the right of a woman to have an abortion be left entirely up to the woman and her doctor?" 74% said yes and 22% said no
1981: "The decision on whether to perform an abortion should rest with the consenting patient and should be performed by a licensed physician in conformance with good medical practice." 91% agreed and 7% disagreed
Conspiracy corner: it was done to curb the swelling poor-black population. Early pro-abortion campaigns were targeted towards poor-black communities and 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. Freakonomics famously posed the notion that, in the 90s, many areas in america were trending towards a huge crime wave that never materialized, because abortion had removed a large segment of the population that was trending towards that crime wave.
Conspiracy corner: it was done to curb the swelling poor-black population. Early pro-abortion campaigns were targeted towards poor-black communities and 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. Freakonomics famously posed the notion that, in the 90s, many areas in america were trending towards a huge crime wave that never materialized, because abortion had removed a large segment of the population that was trending towards that crime wave.
Conspiracy corner: it was done to curb the swelling poor-black population. Early pro-abortion campaigns were targeted towards poor-black communities and 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. Freakonomics famously posed the notion that, in the 90s, many areas in america were trending towards a huge crime wave that never materialized, because abortion had removed a large segment of the population that was trending towards that crime wave.
No, the majority of abortions in the US, as everywhere else, are by poor women that cannot afford to bring up a child, in the US this is exacerbated by limited access to reliable health care and birth control, that just happens to be a black demographic in the US
No, the majority of abortions in the US, as everywhere else, are by poor women that cannot afford to bring up a child, in the US this is exacerbated by limited access to reliable health care and birth control, that just happens to be a black demographic in the US
There's 26.6 million white americans living below the poverty line, there are 9.3 million black americans living below the poverty line, a 3 fold difference.
Targeting abortions at the black community is par for the course for atrocities committed by the US government on it's black population.
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Conspiracy corner: it was done to curb the swelling poor-black population. Early pro-abortion campaigns were targeted towards poor-black communities and 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. Freakonomics famously posed the notion that, in the 90s, many areas in america were trending towards a huge crime wave that never materialized, because abortion had removed a large segment of the population that was trending towards that crime wave.
Gonna give you a big yikes on that one. California, NY, Ohio and a bunch of other states with majority white populations not represented in those numbers.
I would expect that abortion rates reflect socioeconomic status pretty closely.
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Reason: Wait, do you really believe there are "targeted" abortions?
Gonna give you a big yikes on that one. California, NY, Ohio and a bunch of other states with majority white populations not represented in those numbers.
I would expect that abortion rates reflect socioeconomic status pretty closely.
Why the yikes, did I imply I thought this was a good thing?
In NYC, more black babies are aborted than born. The data shows you need a black population below 10% for white abortions to surpass black abortions, there's a massive disparity here that can't be accounted for by poverty rates or population rates.
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Why the yikes, did I imply I thought this was a good thing?
In NYC, more black babies are aborted than born. The data shows you need a black population below 10% for white abortions to surpass black abortions, there's a massive disparity here that can't be accounted for by poverty rates or population rates.
I would guess that the largest reason is that ~80% of black children in some American urban areas are born to single mothers. But that also correlates with socioeconomic status.
I just don't get the "targeted" part. I think that there's a great deal of systemic racism at play in the States, but no scheme to abort black children specifically.
Abortion existed before Roe v Wade; it was just way more dangerous. Most estimates I've seen peg it at about 800K a year in the '60s, which is where it was in the few years after it was legalized (and where it is now). And based on the number of women who had to seek medical care and/or died from complications of an abortion in the '60s, abortions were more heavily concentrated among the poor and racial minorities. Which isn't surprising, as unplanned pregnancies are much higher among those groups.
The notion that high rates of abortion among certain demographics are due to easier access is laughable. Family planning and abortion services for lower income residents of the US are terrible. It is a demand issue, resulting from decades of poor policies and a lack of proper education (though I'm sure the latest trend of right wingers calling sex educators "groomers" will help that).
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Conspiracy corner: it was done to curb the swelling poor-black population. Early pro-abortion campaigns were targeted towards poor-black communities and 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. Freakonomics famously posed the notion that, in the 90s, many areas in america were trending towards a huge crime wave that never materialized, because abortion had removed a large segment of the population that was trending towards that crime wave.
There was a later analysis of the data from another economist that found lead exposure (gasoline and paint) was also a significant independent contributing affect.
I find your post a little troubling because the Levitt research did not consider race at all but the way you presented your two points flowing together appears to imply that aborting black babies lowers crime which is not what the study has shown. The research just showed that abortion legalization was highly correlated with a crime reduction years later. It made no comment on race. It was discussing unwantedness.
The podcast transcript above is really interesting because the affect has gotten stronger in the last 20 years than in the first 20. Interestingly if this decisions allows states to ban abortions we should see a crime increase is the states that do relative to the states that don’t in about 15 - 20 years
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There was a later analysis of the data from another economist that found lead exposure (gasoline and paint) was also a significant independent contributing affect.
I find your post a little troubling because the Levitt research did not consider race at all but the way you presented your two points flowing together appears to imply that aborting black babies lowers crime which is not what the study has shown. The research just showed that abortion legalization was highly correlated with a crime reduction years later. It made no comment on race. It was discussing unwantedness.
The podcast transcript above is really interesting because the affect has gotten stronger in the last 20 years than in the first 20. Interestingly if this decisions allows states to ban abortions we should see a crime increase is the states that do relative to the states that don’t in about 15 - 20 years
Violent crime rates have fallen everywhere in the western world, the lack of back ground lead exposure in new born babies is a leading theoretical reason, conversely it is posited that the reason the Romans were so violent is they used lead water pipes and were massively exposed to lead poisoning
