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Old 03-27-2017, 09:13 AM   #181
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Pretty good summary of the core issues:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...cott/99683488/

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What are the women seeking in a new deal?

Representatives for the women have not publicly stated the dollar figure they’re seeking as part of an agreement with USA Hockey, something the players have sought for nearly a year and a half.

But team captain Meghan Duggan said in a statement when the boycott was announced on March 15 that the players are seeking “a living wage from USA Hockey.”

That’s been a non-starter from USA Hockey’s perspective.

“USA Hockey’s role is not to employ athletes and we will not do so,” USA Hockey president Jim Smith said in a statement earlier this month.

USA Hockey stated in a news release on March 17 that the women’s players are also seeking “a wide variety of other financial obligations to USA Hockey, such as business class airfare on flights of more than three hours, day care, nanny support and increased staffing that total more than $1.3 million.”

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What do the players receive now?

Currently, the players receive $6,000 apiece from USA Hockey in support every four years.

The money is spread over six months before the Winter Olympics. The core players receive about $3,000 per month during that six-month, pre-Olympic time period, although the additional money comes from U.S. Olympic Committee's Direct Athlete Support program. Some players receive as little as $700 per month in additional money from the USOC.
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Do the men’s national team players get more support from USA Hockey than the women’s team?

As far as wages, the men’s team members don’t get paid any more than the women.

But, keep in mind, the U.S. men’s Olympic teams --- starting when the NHL first halted its season to allow players to compete in the Winter Games in 1998 --- have been comprised exclusively of NHL players. And even at the annual Men’s World Championship, about two-thirds of the team is made up of NHL players.

Since NHL players make millions, there’s no need for USA Hockey to kick in more money.

The men’s team, however, does have an edge in some benefits.

CNN Money reported that USA Hockey covers paid transportation for guests, and those guests are allowed to stay at the players' hotel for IIHF events --- like the World Championships --- and receive meals and game tickets.

Players on the women’s team stated that they are not allowed to bring guests and are forced to share rooms with teammates.

The men also travel to games in business class, while the women fly coach.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:26 AM   #182
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My question would be this:

If USA Hockey is to give all the money the womans team is asking for, do they pull that money from younger developmental leagues? Grassroots support? Where would it come from?

I understand the men get more perks, but I would wager their tournament makes USA Hockey a good amount of money and covers above and beyond the expenses.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:36 AM   #183
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The men probably get more perks because they routinely say no to the World Championships.

I do think USA Hockey should provide the same perks. They don't sound that expensive. I think they're out to lunch on the rest of it. Like the guy from USA Hockey said, they want to be employees with comfortable salaries and unfortunately the demand isn't there.

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Old 03-27-2017, 12:03 PM   #184
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Better find out if the broomball team knows how to skate...clock is ticking.
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:11 PM   #185
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I think the US women's team should defect to China or Russia. There their medal-winning abilities will be highly prized and they can be paid wages out of all proportion to what the market would otherwise dictate...
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:37 PM   #186
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Its going to be interesting to see how this is resolved.

At the end of the day I understand that the Women want equal treatment on principle, but in reality their sport is far less valuable.
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Its going to be interesting to see how this is resolved.

At the end of the day I understand that the Women want equal treatment on principle, but in reality their sport is far less valuable.
Again, China or Russia... They want wages like someone actually would pay to watch them play (on TV or in person). Whose fault is it that you chose a vocation, which the market dictates has no value???
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:20 AM   #188
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:38 AM   #189
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:56 AM   #190
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Its going to be interesting to see how this is resolved.

At the end of the day I understand that the Women want equal treatment on principle, but in reality their sport is far less valuable.
Yeah, I understand that men's sports has to support women's sport up to a point. That may be 20 years or 40 years but then the women's version has to be sustainable or the cord has to be cut.

Using soccer as an example. The 1991 Women's World Cup wasn't even called a world cup because FIFA was afraid it would taint the "World Cup" brand. It was called the 1st FIFA World Championship for Women's Football for the M&M's Cup! They decided to host it in China to get a crowd. It's China! you could sneeze and 10000 people would show up. Next in 1995 was in Norway, small stadium, small crowds. Then they took a gamble to have it in big US Stadiums in 1999 and it paid off. Now it's become a bigger event but it still loses money. The Men's World Cup pays for all other FIFA events combined. Men's U20, U17, Women's World Cup, Women's U20, Women's U17, Confederations Cup.. everything.

The whole artificial turf argument in Canada 2015 was simply: This tournament loses money, we can't afford to spend millions of dollars converting these stadiums to grass.

The players could have boycotted but they realized it was a losing fight. FIFA could pull the plug.
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The whole artificial turf argument in Canada 2015 was simply: This tournament loses money, we can't afford to spend millions of dollars converting these stadiums to grass.

The players could have boycotted but they realized it was a losing fight. FIFA could pull the plug.
The bigger argument was: This is the only bidder left, and these are their terms. Take it or leave it.
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or we'll make you play in Zimbabwe
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or we'll make you play in Zimbabwe
Reading player reviews of the African Cup of Nations is terrifying.

People thought Sochi was bad? Look up some of the places available for the AFC. Its a nightmare.
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@ByKevinAllen Done deal. US women have a new contract and will play in World championships. Story coming
https://twitter.com/bykevinallen/sta...72101021782016

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Sounds like USA Hockey got taken for a ride on this one.

Also, sounds like literally every player USA Hockey reached out to to play on the replacement players' team told them to pound sand.
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Wow they are getting $70k per year? They are getting paid as well as NHL rookies in the AHL. Women owned USA Hockey.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...hips/99538056/

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The players will make around $70,000 each per year, although they could make more than $100,000 in Olympic years if they win gold.

The breakdown includes USA Hockey creating an annual fund of $950,000 to be divided among the 23 players, two people with knowledge of the agreement who are not authorized to release the numbers told USA TODAY Sports. The range for the fund in 2017 is $850,000 to $950,000.

In addition, the deal ensures each player will receive an $2,000 per month during the life of the deal -- the maximum players get in direct financial support from the U.S. Olympic Committee. Players earn between $750 to $2,000 from the USOC, meaning USA Hockey has agreed to make up the difference.

The players could reach into the six figures in Olympic years with medal bonuses paid by the USOC. For example, the gold medal winners receive $37,500, and the silver medal winners receive $22,500 and the bronze medal winners receive $15,000.

In addition, the women's players will receive the same accommodations as men's players for the world championships.

In their former deal, players received $1,000 per month from USA Hockey for the six months leading up to the Olympics, and nothing during the non-Olympic years.

The deal also includes the formation of a Women's High Performance Advisory Group that will contain former and current members of the women's national team. This group will offer advice in helping USA Hockey advance girls and women's hockey.
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Holy hell!!

Where did all that money come from?

$70K per year to play like 15 meaningful games a decade? Wow.

Well...good on the Ladies I guess. Hopefully this doesnt mean that Girls youth hockey goalies have to stuff their socks with newspaper.
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Jeez, they make more than CFL players now. That is a joke.

This makes me less interested in women's hockey than I previously was.
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I wasn't all that interested in the first place, I sure don't mark the woman's world championships in my schedule.

All that this means is that development funds that would go elsewhere are going out in salaries. Not a major concern.

At the same time, they get paid for their training and housing and food and travel and equipment and now $70k a year.

They clearly have a good agent for USA to buckle like this. I'm surprised that USA hockey didn't hang the whole, we'll cancel the Olympic team thing over their heads.
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