Friedman: Nashville might be interested in a Flames goalie

[CroFlames]

Look at Bobrovsky. Heck of a goalie struggling with confidence issues. It happens to all of them.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Look at Bobrovsky. Heck of a goalie struggling with confidence issues. It happens to all of them.

It's probably hard to be confident when you are not able to play because of always being injured.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I'm not sure Howard is an upgrade on Ramo, that's pretty much a lateral move IMO. Unless you're giving up significantly less for Howard than what Hiller and/or Ramo would go for, I don't see the point. Might as well just re-sign Ramo for 3 years as there is no way he will command the 5.3m Howard makes.

I was going to disagree with you until I actually looked at Howard's numbers. He's been really bad this season and well below average the previous two. He's lost 8 games in a row!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sarcasm aside, Hiller was actually pretty darn good against the Canucks.

Respectfully disagree. His rebound control was terrible but the D cleaned it up.

Vancouver did not have much in the way of quality chances. I know beer league goalies that could have won that game

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Respectfully disagree. His rebound control was terrible but the D cleaned it up.

Vancouver did not have much in the way of quality chances. I know beer league goalies that could have won that game

Lol while I also was not impressed with Hiller in that game, that seems a mite hyperbole.

[Erick Estrada]

Hiller on Saturday played just as well or better than Ramo has lately as he made some timely (a key word seeing Flames goaltenders have been terrible about making timely saves) saves to keep the lead in the 3rd period. Regardless they are both mediocre goaltenders that this organization needs to move away from.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

To me if your that weak mentally you probably don't make it to the NHL, especially in a starting goaltender role. Let's face it, a big part of goaltending is mental and confidence based. Think of all the similar types of situations that could have happened like having three potential goalies at the Junior level or earlier. Minor hockey is ripe with politics and favouritism. If your an elite athlete, competition should make you better, not fold like a cheap suit.

The reality is none of the three flames goaltenders are consistently good enough to carry the mail in a starters role in the NHL at this point in time.

For the record, I'm not saying any or all three are NHL #1 goalies. I will agree, however, that management did not give any or all three the best possible conditions to be successful starting the season.

Once you make the NHL, you're an adult who's made a career choice. The consequences isn't the same as a kid who's going to be an engineer instead.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hiller on Saturday played just as well or better than Ramo has lately as he made some timely (a key word seeing Flames goaltenders have been terrible about making timely saves) saves to keep the lead in the 3rd period. Regardless they are both mediocre goaltenders that this organization needs to move away from.

Timely doesn't mean quality. Look at the two goals Ramo let in against CBJ. Two on ones, cross crease tap ins. Hiller was not challenged with similar quality chances. I get the feeling the D play tighter with less confidence in Hiller and ironically Hiller reaps the rewards statistically of late.

Personally I think Ramo is the better goalie by a fair margin. Just don't like the blocking style, down on the knees pretty much until the puck goes back to the point.

Fair point that the goalie when this team finds success will be unlikely to be one of these two.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Timely doesn't mean quality. Look at the two goals Ramo let in against CBJ. Two on ones, cross crease tap ins. Hiller was not challenged with similar quality chances. I get the feeling the D play tighter with less confidence in Hiller and ironically Hiller reaps the rewards statistically of late.

Personally I think Ramo is the better goalie by a fair margin. Just don't like the blocking style, down on the knees pretty much until the puck goes back to the point.

Fair point that the goalie when this team finds success will be unlikely to be one of these two.

agreed

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Respectfully disagree. His rebound control was terrible but the D cleaned it up.

Vancouver did not have much in the way of quality chances. I know beer league goalies that could have won that game

He may have let out some big rebounds but I didn't think any were really dangerous and led to scoring chances. A goalie should try and prevent big rebounds but if you direct them into non-dangerous areas that's ok.

This might not have been the 1-0 game he played in Chicago last season but it wasn't the 6-0 Florida game either. I don't think you would have thought a beer league goalie would have won that game if Ramo would have started.

[Badgers Nose]

Goalies are playing average, occasionally above average, which is a big improvement.

IMO that is all the Flames need to be a playoff team next year.

To go deep, they will need a stud goalie. Not sure where they will find one of those. I don't think the guys rumoured to be available will be that guy.

My guess is both Ramo and Hiller are in next for the Flames to start next year.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Goalies are playing average, occasionally above average, which is a big improvement.

IMO that is all the Flames need to be a playoff team next year.

To go deep, they will need a stud goalie. Not sure where they will find one of those. I don't think the guys rumoured to be available will be that guy.

My guess is both Ramo and Hiller are in next for the Flames to start next year.

I think Hiller walks (hopefully traded but I doubt it) and I think it will be Ramo and one of Ward or Raanta.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

He may have let out some big rebounds but I didn't think any were really dangerous and led to scoring chances. ...

This might not have been the 1-0 game he played in Chicago last season but it wasn't the 6-0 Florida game either. I don't think you would have thought a beer league goalie would have won that game if Ramo would have started.

D were in position and cleaned them up.

Yes I would have. I admit that I think Ramo is better, but can recognize a game with a bunch of routine chances compared to a game where a goalie makes saves he is not expected to make.

Either way, I don't care. Back to the point of the thread.

If Nashville wants a goalie, take one, take 'em both. This team is unlikely to make the playoffs now and by the trade deadline they will know enough for sure to ship them out.

[GioforPM]

I saw one bad rebound. He had 35 shots. It was a quality performance. Hartley must think so too.

[MarkGio]

Its easy to blame goalies giving up 2 to 3 goals when the forwards only score 1 to 2 goals. A lot of the reason the Flames are where they are is because offense isn't created unless Gaudreau is on the ice

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

D were in position and cleaned them up.

That's part of their job. It's not like he was directing them straight at a Sedin. Most of them were high and to the sides where was no traffic.

Yes I would have. I admit that I think Ramo is better, but can recognize a game with a bunch of routine chances compared to a game where a goalie makes saves he is not expected to make.

A goalie doesn't need to make a ton of spectacular saves to have a good game. The funny thing is during Ramo's run when did win he really didn't play much different than Hiller did on Saturday yet his supporters were quick to give him credit and sometimes a little too much credit.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That's part of their job. It's not like he was directing them straight at a Sedin. Most of them were high and to the sides where was no traffic.



A goalie doesn't need to make a ton of spectacular saves to have a good game. The funny thing is during Ramo's run when did win he really didn't play much different than Hiller did on Saturday yet his supporters were quick to give him credit and sometimes a little too much credit.

*sigh* I don't want to re watch the game to find time stamps of examples to explain. Believe what you want.

Here is what I saw. Lots of rebounds that he did not control. Flames were in position to get them, so no harm done, but he did not control them.

It makes sense, he is a blocking goalie who butterflies a ton.

He was called on to make zero ten-bell saves. Much like the Columbus goalie. Count the shots and look at save percentage, that is fine.

Sometimes goalies have easy nights. And good fortune.

[DoubleK]

I'd trade both for Hutton. Friedman must be sniffing his hairspray again.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

but he did not control them.

Welcome to life as a Flames goalie. Which is one reason why I want neither on the team next season.

[Moneyhands23]

I'm good for trading either goalie...but I doubt the flames get any real offers for them.

I'll eat pubes if we get better than a 5th rd pick.