American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Quick, somebody help this poor man. He's showing the universal sign of dire distress and emergency.

He's just advertising the upcoming season of House of Cards!

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

To present it as the mystery box is disingenuous. They went with the image of the blustery strong man over a woman.

I personally think it is a bit simplistic to frame it as a gender issue. I believe if the Democrats had someone (male or female) other than Clinton running they would have won.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I just read the text from Trump's inagural speech.

Appalling.

it is pretty scary.
We're so screwed here in Canada, too.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

it is pretty scary.
We're so screwed here in Canada, too.

This is a worldwide movement, Germany and France are next unfortunately

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I just read the text from Trump's inagural speech.

Appalling.

I watched the entire speech and thought it was one of Trumps least divisive and best speeches (we know he wants to obliterate the Washington status quo and put America first already).

Then I watched the CNN talking heads talk and say what a divisive, unorthodox and not a great speech it was.

After this I re-watched the speech and still thought it was one of his best speeches and could not figure out what was so wrong about it.

Then I read this comment and others such as this and I begin to question my own critical thinking skills.

So would you or anyone else be able to do me a solid and give me a point by point summary on what you found so appalling about it?

Thanks.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Locke

Someone photoshop Trump's face onto this.

[MoneyGuy]

Unless you're talking about the protectionist angle there was nothing in that speech that really alarmed me. Yeah, he did promise to protect American jobs and products and that will have a big impact on us. Otherwise, I thought he said what we expected and many of the things that a president should say. It was well written. I'm far more frightened by the prospect of extreme civil unrest in the States and the real risk that he might get the States into a war.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Holy crap this is insane. They're running from the riot police, yelling "we're media! Media!"

That's probably the reason they are being chased.

[Flash Walken]

So many Canadians are going to say this can't happen here, but obviously it can/will.

[Kjesse]

Here's a link to the complete speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politi...ess/index.html

Items I find appalling:

"Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another -- but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People."

Reason: Suggests Obama and prior presidents' power did not originate from democracy. A smear on Obama that is not warranted. Take the high road at least once in your life Trump. This was that opportunity.

"For too long, a small group in our nation's Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished -- but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered -- but the jobs left, and the factories closed."

Reason: Too harsh on all prior administrations, including Obama

"The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land."

Reason: Again, an attack on the four Presidents sitting there.

"What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

Reason: WTF? Is Trump the first democratically elected president or something? Does he not realize he lost the popular vote while still winning the electoral college?

"The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world."

Reason: This is a billionaire who among other things has left a trail of unpaid middle and lower class workers.

"America will start winning again, winning like never before."

Reason: Charlie Sheen said it better.

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by GGG

People need to get over that.

Trump was elected fairly under the US constitution. That he didn't receive the popular vote doesn't matter. It's like the people that complain in Canada that the Prime Ministers party only got 38% of the vote. It doesn't matter.

Whining about the popular vote to me is like saying that your team should have won the Super Bowl because your team had the most rushing yards.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Whining about the popular vote to me is like saying that your team should have won the Super Bowl because your team had the most rushing yards.

It would be more apt to characterize it as saying you should have won the superbowl because you scored more points, but didn't because points scored in the second and 4th quarter don't count as much as point scored in the 1st and 3rd quarter.

[jeffporfirio]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

So many Canadians are going to say this can't happen here, but obviously it can/will.

Are you implying "the Apprentice" = "Dragons Den" ?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jeffporfirio

Are you implying "the Apprentice" = "Dragons Den" ?

Loud mouth blowhard who's reputation is built on lies and misdirection appealing to a bunch of voters who fetishize wealth.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It would be more apt to characterize it as saying you should have won the superbowl because you scored more points, but didn't because points scored in the second and 4th quarter don't count as much as point scored in the 1st and 3rd quarter.

No the points scored in the game are electoral college votes. Comparison is quite Apt. US politics reward touchdowns over yards.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GGG

No the points scored in the game are electoral college votes. Comparison is quite Apt. US politics reward touchdowns over yards.

popular vote determines electoral count in many states, not all votes are weighed equally state to state.

Trying to draw a metaphor to a sport with rules and regulations though is going to be difficult.

[photon]

"We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny." is a little bit chilling coming from an authoritarian.

No shying from the protectionist stance, even using the word. "Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength."

"We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world -- but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first." which every nation does of course, but to feel it important to emphasize that tells the rest of the world "America First" means just that.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Here's a link to the complete speech:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politi...ess/index.html

Items I find appalling:

"Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another -- but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C. and giving it back to you, the American People."

Reason: Suggests Obama and prior presidents' power did not originate from democracy. A smear on Obama that is not warranted. Take the high road at least once in your life Trump. This was that opportunity.

One of the focal points of what made Trump attractive to millions of Americans is that he was going to be a voice for the people, yes it may irk those in power but at the end of the day he works for the people or should be.

"For too long, a small group in our nation's Capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished -- but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered -- but the jobs left, and the factories closed."

Reason: Too harsh on all prior administrations, including Obama

Feeds into the first point that his main portraying objective is giving people back a sense of power and a voice in politics.

"The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land."

Reason: Again, an attack on the four Presidents sitting there.

Definitely an attack on the Presidents sitting there, but he is not there to speak for past and current political figures he is there to represent the people.

"What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

Reason: WTF? Is Trump the first democratically elected president or something? Does he not realize he lost the popular vote while still winning the electoral college?

He means that it should not matter whether a Republican or a Democrat is in power, it only matters that they act in the best interest of the people of his country

"The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world."

Reason: This is a billionaire who among other things has left a trail of unpaid middle and lower class workers.

Very good reason, I believe he is referencing trade deals and other agreements that have weakened the economy in an effort for globalization. It is hypocritical though and he should look in a mirror.

"America will start winning again, winning like never before."

Reason: Charlie Sheen said it better.

No no, Charlie Sheen would have won with Tiger Blood.

I appreciate your time in replying back to this, I think its great that you did although I do seem to see it through different lenses.

I've put quick responses (apologies in advance if I do not do it correctly as I have not posted in a while).

It was great hearing your perspective and I think as in most debate, the differential of thinking something is fine or thinking its appalling is a matter of perspective. That is what I am learning in an increasingly bipartisan world.

[Minnie]

Kellyanne inauguration outfit.


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[Senator Clay Davis]

She looks like she's about to surrender Paris to the Nazis.