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Old 01-20-2014, 10:20 AM   #321
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Friedman is a knowledgeable hockey person so he have more insight so yes he got valid points but i still dislike the canucks!
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:22 AM   #322
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Again, it should be utterly laughable that is even an argument. The guy complaining, trying to get into the opposition locker room is the same guy who started his goons against LA's top line.
Not that they deserve any sort of defense, but they didn't start their goon line against LA. It was Hamhuis/Tanev on D and Kassian/Kesler/Higgins. Far from a goon line.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:24 AM   #323
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Not sure if Hartley wanted a brawl or was just rewarding the grinders, I'm leaning toward him sending the Canucks a message though. Quite possible though that Hartley wasn't expecting a line brawl and was just expecting a McGrattan/Sestito fight.

If Tortorella didn't want to play into Hartley's hand all he had to do was start a line like Kessler/Richardson/Higgins and I doubt any fights would have happened. He didn't even need to start the Sedins, just didn't have to start his goons to match Hartley.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:26 AM   #324
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The whole "Torts had to do it" argument is such a P.O.S

If it was the third shift of the game and a faceoff in the Flames end and Hartley put his 4th line out I am sure that Torts would have had no issue putting out his first line and trying to score a goal.
I am not defending Torts, but I don't blame him for putting his tough guys out there too.

I think the Flames game plan from the beginning was to intimidate the weakly Canucks early, which is exactly what would have happened if they would have started their 1st line. McGrattan and Westgarth wouldn't have had to even drop the gloves for that to happen.

The only thing I blame Torts for was acting indignant afterwards and then trying to fight the coaching staff. Taking the bait that we set for him at the opening face-off may have been a bad coaching decision, but his reaction after is what makes him an idiot.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:27 AM   #325
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This honestly is a horrible argument. If Sedin is injured, you don't play him. Just because his iron man streak is on the line doesn't mean you play him. The iron man streak means nothing if he gets a serious injury because of the smaller injuries finally catching up.
Off topic, but that iron streak has a huge asterisk beside it considering last year he was dressed just to take a 10 second shift so he could keep it going. His Ironman streak is a joke.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:28 AM   #326
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Westgarth didn't even fight Bieksa once he said no, even though he had every chance to pound the guy. What makes you think he would go after Sedin or Kesler?

I like Friedman, but I think in this case he is off base. Neither of those guys would've gone after Vancouvers skilled guys.
I agree. Tons of respect for McGrattan after that hallway incident. Really ironic that Bieksa gets credit for taking a faceoff then leaving his team mate out to dry, yet McGrattan stood front and center for his team and kept Torts from getting his head kicked in.

All this talk of him being a reckless goon by the Vancouver side is hilarious. You can tell he knows the line quite well. Something I can't say for the hair pulling, trash talking when glass is separating you, cheap shot Canucks.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:29 AM   #327
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The Canucks have 10 games remaining before the Olympic break.

I think it's highly likely that we won't see Torts behind the bench again until after Sochi.
I wish, but highly doubt
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:38 AM   #328
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Westgarth didn't even fight Bieksa once he said no, even though he had every chance to pound the guy. What makes you think he would go after Sedin or Kesler?

I like Friedman, but I think in this case he is off base. Neither of those guys would've gone after Vancouvers skilled guys.
westgarth may be a scrub but he is smart enough to know his role... same with mcgrattan, he rarely puts himself in a position to be criticized as a dirtbag.

Also i always thought friedman was more sensible but this year he has dialed up the crazy a little bit more. He seems to come up with the craziest explanations for things.

Eliott friedman - "i had a fun night" THEN "you have to come down strong on this" AND "lucky that no security guard got hurt"

what did he think tortorella was going to do?
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:53 AM   #329
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Quite possible though that Hartley wasn't expecting a line brawl and was just expecting a McGrattan/Sestito fight.
That's what I think. If I'm Bob Hartley and I'm expecting a line brawl why wouldn't I have SOB on the ice? If your objective is "win the fight" or just "Keep the skilled guys out of it" then it makes more sense to ice SOB over either of the D-men he started with.
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:54 AM   #330
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what did he think tortorella was going to do?
That's the thing. Tortorella's anger management issues are so acute that he tried to go through guys like McGrattan to get at Hartley. There's really no telling what someone like that might do.

Personally, I am not expecting a suspension for Tortorella. Though I wouldn't be surprised either with a game or two. I think this is handled mostly through fines. I still think Hartley gets a token $25k for the optics of it, and Tortorella $100k+
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Old 01-20-2014, 10:55 AM   #331
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Not that they deserve any sort of defense, but they didn't start their goon line against LA. It was Hamhuis/Tanev on D and Kassian/Kesler/Higgins. Far from a goon line.
Yeah, that's a blindspot I have.

Any line with Kassian on it is a Goon line.
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Smid did not bad for himself.
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Westgarth seems like a guy who would fight anyone, agreed with McGrattan
Westgarth didn't fight Bieksa, when Bieksa wouldn't drop his gloves. KW dropped them right away to try and start, but when KB ducked the fight (in order to go get his ass handed to him by a smaller guy in Smid), KW stopped everything. Later in the melee KW grabbed Lain. Lain dropped the gloves and they had a tilt.
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Smid did not bad for himself.
Especially since Bieska pansied out fighting Westgarth and goes after Smid for no reason, he basically got himself thrown out of the game
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just read this on the Canucks HF boards:

"Fine but no suspension. People were smart enough not to take a screaming match physical. That was surreal though seeing the Canucks head coach a few seconds from kicking the entire Flames roster's ass in the hallway."

Is that really what happened? so funny.
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Westgarth didn't even fight Bieksa once he said no, even though he had every chance to pound the guy. What makes you think he would go after Sedin or Kesler?

I like Friedman, but I think in this case he is off base. Neither of those guys would've gone after Vancouvers skilled guys.
point taken, he backed off when Bieksa turtled.
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just read this on the Canucks HF boards:

"Fine but no suspension. People were smart enough not to take a screaming match physical. That was surreal though seeing the Canucks head coach a few seconds from kicking the entire Flames roster's ass in the hallway."

Is that really what happened? so funny.
haha that's funny. Tortorella's just lucky that McGrattan stayed so calm and professional or the Canucks would've had to put him on IR.
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Especially since Bieska pansied out fighting Westgarth and goes after Smid for no reason, he basically got himself thrown out of the game
That's Bieksa for you picking his spots. He likes to yap like he's a tough guy but when push comes to shove he's scared to mix it with real tough guys. Smid actually got a couple of good shots in did well against a fake tough guy.
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just read this on the Canucks HF boards:

"Fine but no suspension. People were smart enough not to take a screaming match physical. That was surreal though seeing the Canucks head coach a few seconds from kicking the entire Flames roster's ass in the hallway."

Is that really what happened? so funny.
The people of Vancouver should be building a bronze Brian McGrattan statue outside the arena to commemorate the fact he saved Tort's life that night at least twice.
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The people of Vancouver should be building a bronze Brian McGrattan statue outside the arena to commemorate the fact he saved Tort's life that night at least twice.
Why, they would just trash it during their next riot
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