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Old 06-26-2017, 12:22 PM   #41
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And also to steal from Roof-Daddy in the Smith trade thread:
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Mike Smith faced on average:

34.38 shots against per game last season
15.10 were low danger (Saved 98.01% vs. League Avg of 97.91%)
10.83 were medium danger (Saved 92.61% vs. League Avg of 92.50%)
8.45 were high danger (Saved 83.73% vs. League Avg of 81.17%)

Brian Elliott faced on average:

27.81 shots against per game last season
13.01 were low danger (Saved 97.82% vs. League Avg of 97.91%)
8.28 were medium danger (Saved 93.84% vs. League Avg of 92.50%)
6.52 were high danger (Saved 79.13% vs. League Avg of 81.17%)




Now that's finalized, I expanded on the above numbers.

Smith was above league average in all three categories, while facing more shots per game than any other goalie
Smith was better than Elliott in high danger and low danger save %
Elliott was below league average in high danger and low danger save%
Almost a 5% improvement on High Danger SV% compared to Elliott.

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Old 06-26-2017, 12:24 PM   #42
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Hm...I went back and thanked that post, thats really good to know.
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Hah, gotta love it. Man, I sure hope it works out for all of us.
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[QUOTE=sureLoss;6304912]Looks like 41 for Smith is confirmed:

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Mike & Brigitte Smith, along with their kids Aksel, Ajax, Nixon & Kingsley and their �� Berkley, are ready to join the #CofRed!


Hah, gotta love it. Man, I sure hope it works out for all of us.
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[QUOTE=roberts10;6305202]
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Looks like 41 for Smith is confirmed:

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Mike & Brigitte Smith, along with their kids Aksel, Ajax, Nixon & Kingsley and their �� Berkley, are ready to join the #CofRed!


Hah, gotta love it. Man, I sure hope it works out for all of us.
I love the enthusiasm, have to give it credit.
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lol@people who are comparing the Yotes defence to St. Louis and Elliott

those teams couldn't be more different...I mean if my beer league team played in the NHL with a defensive coach do you think we would be a good defensive team? On what planet is allowing over 34 shots a game on average a good defensive system?

I am expecting the Flames to average mid 20s against next season
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And also to steal from Roof-Daddy in the Smith trade thread:


Almost a 5% improvement on High Danger SV% compared to Elliott.
Also means that the expected Goals Against per game last season for the Flames would have dropped from 2.16 to 1.93.

So a substantial improvement actually.
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lol@people who are comparing the Yotes defence to St. Louis and Elliott

those teams couldn't be more different...I mean if my beer league team played in the NHL with a defensive coach do you think we would be a good defensive team? On what planet is allowing over 34 shots a game on average a good defensive system?

I am expecting the Flames to average mid 20s against next season
Coypyr a had only a single top pairing guy last year but Tippet is a highly regarded coach and is known more for the defensive side of things.

At the end of the day Buffalo has produced some goalies over the past 2 years with a great save % yet this team drafted 8 to Arizona's 7 the past 2 years. Lehner has had very strong numbers and Chas Johnson had a .922 when he played for Buffalo (.910 with the Flames)

That is why I questioned the types of shots Smith got vs the volume. It is the whole quantity vs quality arguement. Looks like Smith is competent against the high danger chances which is a positive as Elliott struggled in that regard.
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Also means that the expected Goals Against per game last season for the Flames would have dropped from 2.16 to 1.93.

So a substantial improvement actually.
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The Flames surrendered 2.67 GAA last year.
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The Flames surrendered 2.67 GAA last year.
Yeah that is the expected goals based on the expected save percentage for the shot types multiplied by the shots the team actually gave up.

More just directional than anything.
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Over 34 shots against per game is actually insane. I think the Flames allowed 6 less shots per game on average, and we weren't exactly stingy defensively either. Any high end goalie would have a hard time staying near the top of the league GAA and wins with those extra 6-7 shots on average every night. Affects SV% too when that means an extra couple high danger chances than you would face behind an average/good team per game. Coyotes seemingly checked out on a lot of nights, and from what I saw after Smith came back from injury he was the only thing keeping them in a lot of games.

He's continued to be a good goalie since his run with the Coyotes a few years back, the Yotes' team defence has just gotten a lot worse, and as a result his numbers have inevitably taken a hit, enough to make him look very average from afar.
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Over 34 shots against per game is actually insane. I think the Flames allowed 6 less shots per game on average, and we weren't exactly stingy defensively either. Any high end goalie would have a hard time staying near the top of the league GAA and wins with those extra 6-7 shots on average every night. Affects SV% too when that means an extra couple high danger chances than you would face behind an average/good team per game. Coyotes seemingly checked out on a lot of nights, and from what I saw after Smith came back from injury he was the only thing keeping them in a lot of games.

He's continued to be a good goalie since his run with the Coyotes a few years back, the Yotes' team defence has just gotten a lot worse, and as a result his numbers have inevitably taken a hit, enough to make him look very average from afar.

That is what gives me more hope for this move than compared to Elliott. The Yotes clearly have sucked the last 5 years but Smith has remained solid. Elliott put up great numbers on a great team that never seemed sold on him despite the strong stats.
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Somebody's compensating for his boring, normal name (Mike Smith)...Aksel and Ajax??
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is there live video being streamed? Flames website? Can't find mention anywhere
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I don't think anyone has a problem with Mike Smith's numbers from the past, when he was aged 32-34, the concern is whether or not 35- and 36-year-old Mike Smith can maintain those numbers - the ages where the typical goaltender sees his numbers notably drop. Maybe Smith isn't as effected as the typical goaltender, or maybe he is an outlier and isn't effected at all. Nobody knows. All we can do is hope. But, the concerns with age aren't unreasonable ones.
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No kidding. What the hell is that? haha
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