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Old 06-27-2017, 11:44 AM   #101
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This is the one that's tough IMO.

Could these teams really have done all the things they said they were going to do to be able to protect everyone?

Anaheim sure - it's feasible they buyout Bieksa and trade Vatanen.

Minnesota - Seems pretty unlikely that they are able to trade at least 3 of Brodin, Staal, Scandella, Dumba, or Haula.

Islanders - Same deal. Unlikely they find takers for at least a couple of Hamonic, De Haan, Hickey, Strome, Nelson, Pelech etc before the draft.

IMO they let Minnesota and the Islanders off the hook by accepting the trades that they did. Especially since they took a bad contract from the Islanders to do so anyways.
You are probably right that VGK could have done better, but then this needs to be balanced against the reality that McPhee must deal with the same 30 people on a regular basis. We are now starting to hear reports that GMs are playing hardball in their negotiations with him because they do not like the fact that he cornered the market on defensemen. How much more difficult would things be for McPhee had he wrought everything he could from his contemporaries in the expansion draft?

I still think that he is probably playing this smartly: 13 draft picks in 2017; six in the top-65. Two late picks in 2018 were spent for Alex Tuch and Reilly Smith. Eleven picks in 2019; five in the top-60. Nine picks in 2020; four in the top-60.

That is 38-draft picks in four years with 15 in the top 65, and two solid, young players. This looks like a pretty good blueprint for a team that will be drafting high in the next two or three years.
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Old 06-27-2017, 02:42 PM   #102
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I still think that he is probably playing this smartly: 13 draft picks in 2017; six in the top-65. Two late picks in 2018 were spent for Alex Tuch and Reilly Smith. Eleven picks in 2019; five in the top-60. Nine picks in 2020; four in the top-60.

That is 38-draft picks in four years with 15 in the top 65, and two solid, young players. This looks like a pretty good blueprint for a team that will be drafting high in the next two or three years.
Agreed, that's how you build a winner in a cap era.

Vegas had a one time chance to receive a ton of draft picks, and they jumped at it.

The NHL gave him the means to accomplish that. I doubt anyone thought he would simply take the best current team he could without regard to the age of the player or his contract. He's properly parlayed better players being available (than in previous expansion drafts) to build for the future.
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Old 06-27-2017, 04:44 PM   #103
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I think the plan was fine (looking to future at the expense of the present), but I still say the execution was poor. There was no guarantee that multiple trades could have happened for these exposed player, as the protection lists would hamper most teams. If it wasn't Dumba, it might have been Scandella or perhaps Zucker would have been the guy left out. Further, they didn't need to take 14 dmen, which would have created its own glut of assets that needed to be moved. I think a couple of more goalies would have been prudent. Finally, this team is going to suck. They might be able to turn it around quickly, or they might be the oilers or panthers before them, sucking for another 10 years. We shall see how it turns out.
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Old 06-27-2017, 06:28 PM   #104
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George McPhee: "We wanted to make a deal instead of taking the second or third best player."
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I think McPhee and Dorion (sp?) both miscalculated. Lebrun said LV wanted a 1st not to draft Methot, and Ottawa wouldn't pay. In retrospect, there was clearly a deal to be made there that would have netted LV more than a late 2nd that Ottawa should have found palatable... McPhee clearly believed he would be able to flip Methot for a 1st (reasonably I would have thought) and Dorion let ego get in the way and lost a guy who is probably more valuable to the Senators than to any other team...
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I think McPhee and Dorion (sp?) both miscalculated. Lebrun said LV wanted a 1st not to draft Methot, and Ottawa wouldn't pay. In retrospect, there was clearly a deal to be made there that would have netted LV more than a late 2nd that Ottawa should have found palatable... McPhee clearly believed he would be able to flip Methot for a 1st (reasonably I would have thought) and Dorion let ego get in the way and lost a guy who is probably more valuable to the Senators than to any other team...
Same could be said for all the other D vets he picked.
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Same could be said for all the other D vets he picked.
We shall see...
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I wonder what MTL was ready to pay for Methot.

Seems like Vegas may have gotten boned by a No trade clause.
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I wonder what MTL was ready to pay for Methot.

Seems like Vegas may have gotten boned by a No trade clause.
Who knows how it plays out, but I am wondering if Dion would have been better off waiving his NMC. Vegas would have probably passed on him and Methot gets protected. Dion salvages his relationship with Ott, where by all reports he wants to be, and they keep the player they really wanted.
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