Future of Panthers in Miami

[Ozy_Flame]

There's no way Calgary's population is 1.6 million. Neither Edmonton's. We are not closer to the 2 million side of things, we just passed 1 million 3-4 years ago. City Census showed 1.195 million this past July. This must be taking into account Airdrie, Cochrane and Okotoks or something.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

There's no way Calgary's population is 1.6 million. Neither Edmonton's.

Referring to population contributing to the team. Likely includes all municipalities around that would be considered "Flames territory".

Edit: Clearly labelled "Media Market"

[RM14]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Referring to population contributing to the team. Likely includes all municipalities around that would be considered "Flames territory".

You're right, I think 1.6 is within a two or three hour drive.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Referring to population contributing to the team. Likely includes all municipalities around that would be considered "Flames territory".

Edit: Clearly labelled "Media Market"

Not clearly defined what that means in the article.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not clearly defined in the article.

On the chart it is

Edit: Please note that chart is from a different article, but referred to in this one

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

There's no way Calgary's population is 1.6 million. Neither Edmonton's. We are not closer to the 2 million side of things, we just passed 1 million 3-4 years ago. City Census showed 1.195 million this past July. This must be taking into account Airdrie, Cochrane and Okotoks or something.

http://www.tvb.ca/page_files/pdf/Inf...e/TVBasics.pdf

Page 14.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

http://www.tvb.ca/page_files/pdf/Inf...e/TVBasics.pdf

Page 14.

1. No definition of a "Media Market". Not sure where this is relevant?
2. Where do they get their numbers from? I'm having a hard time finding what the parameters of the Calgary market are in that document. Combination of civic census'?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

1. No definition of a "Media Market". Not sure where this is relevant?
2. Where do they get their numbers from? I'm having a hard time finding what the parameters of the Calgary market are in that document. Combination of civic census'?

Here's the article that graphic is from:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/five...e-stanley-cup/

[Finger Cookin]

However it's defined, the numbers in the fivethrityeight article match the numbers provided by BBM Canda/Numeris, which is the organization that measures audiences in Canada. It's relevant for every radio and television broadcaster, and anyone who buys ads from those broadcasters.

I'd say the number used for audience size in these media markets is legit, even if the definition or methodology to reach that number isn't transparent.

[Street Pharmacist]

Back to the article though, it pretty clearly sums up the uphill battle many markets have in the states. It's especially nice to have numbers to put something more material to the arguments for/against relocation locations

[Resolute 14]

Those percentages for Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably rather low, I'd say. And the methodology is suspect - basing the number of "avid fans" based on regional Google searches?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Great article somewhat related to the subject:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/h...nt-make-sense/






Here's an image from a previous article referred to in this one talking about number of fans:

Considering Ottawa struggles to survive I somehow doubt Kingston can support a team. They'd be stuck in that Ottawa vortex where they have a terrible local TV market so they'd get the shaft on regional TV money.

Although I guess with the Bell/Rogers battle going on it is possible. Ottawa is getting something like $24 million this year from their TV deal since they came up for renewal at the right time (right around the time Rogers got the NHL deal).

[PeteMoss]

According to this article - http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/29/...e-for-practice

Ottawa went from $125,000/game to $812,000/game on their new deal.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Those percentages for Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul are probably rather low, I'd say. And the methodology is suspect - basing the number of "avid fans" based on regional Google searches?

Google search metadata are actually usually quite accurate for many things. It's accuracy with flu season activity is remarkably accurate

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Google search metadata are actually usually quite accurate for many things. It's accuracy with flu season activity is remarkably accurate

Accurate is not the same as applicable. The methodology used to translate from 'people who did hockey-related searches on Google' to 'people who will shell out actual cash for NHL tickets', shall we say, could use some elucidation.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Accurate is not the same as applicable. The methodology used to translate from 'people who did hockey-related searches on Google' to 'people who will shell out actual cash for NHL tickets', shall we say, could use some elucidation.

True, but it's not a bad estimate. Certainly a well designed poll or something would be better, I'm simply pointing out that search data is used a lot and often helpful. I'd say it's the best data we likely have

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

There's no way Calgary's population is 1.6 million. Neither Edmonton's. We are not closer to the 2 million side of things, we just passed 1 million 3-4 years ago. City Census showed 1.195 million this past July. This must be taking into account Airdrie, Cochrane and Okotoks or something.

I think this is TV market, so it would include (for Calgary) Lethbridge, Red Deer, Medicine Hat, etc.

Winnipeg is nowhere near 976,000 unless you counted Brandon, Flin Flon, Churchill, etc.

[troutman]

Oct 30th - Coyotes @ Panthers:

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Yup, I was there and you can't blame fans for staying home when it's the yawn-fest that is the Arizona Coyotes, on a weeknight too. I bet the Dome is only half full for those games. That picture shows that most of the expensive seats are empty, but the other sections were at least half full if not more.

Still, the crowd was loud and into it, lots of chants throughout the night (albeit not necessarily really loud ones), and the fans left happy with a 2-1 win after some atrocious refereeing. The team is starting to win some games playing very solid defense, and as soon as they score some more goals in Gallant's system they'll be around the playoff bubble. Luongo has been better than advertised so far and Pirri has been great. The young talent has yet to break out this year as the veterans are carrying the bulk of the offensive load. This is not a great team, but in the weak East they should be near the playoff bubble.

The farm is doing well, leading their conference so far and scoring the 2nd most goals in the entire AHL. There are signs that the prospects are getting closer to the NHL, which means the veteran placeholders currently on the Panthers team like Kopecky, Fleischman, Upshall etc. will be replaced in a year or two.

The picture doesn't tell the whole story on the state of the franchise. I wish people would stop looking at the attendance numbers in the short term when they aren't going anywhere any time soon (like 10 years).

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Yup, I was there and you can't blame fans for staying home when it's the yawn-fest that is the Arizona Coyotes, on a weeknight too. I bet the Dome is only half full for those games.

You'd lose that bet.

You might find more Flames fans at an away game in Phoenix, than Panther fans at a home game.