[Rumour] Kypreos: Flames still kicking tires on MAF

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by alan21

They won't lose Murray either way as Fleury will just get bought out.

It's just a matter of whether or not they want just some sort of asset for Fleury rather than paying him not to play for them.
Although a buyout will be an option one has to wonder if the Pens ownership group wants to have millions paid to a guy to play else where and if they don't to go down that route what asset would make sense for them to recover some value from Fleury and also save millions.

Then, if we want, we can sign Fleury to a reasonable cap hit and length, without giving up assets?

Go ahead and buy him out, Pens.

[JohnnyHockey]

Correct me if I am wrong but due to MAF having a NMC in his contract does this not mean Matt Murray must be available for Vegas? I thought you could only protect one goaltender. If this is the case, I assume MAF would be available for a bag of pucks pending he waives his NMC of course.

[Imported_Aussie]

How do the salaries work out though? If both teams are against the cap, then either Pittsburgh needs to retain salary (on 2 more years to boot) or the Flames need to dump money elsewhere. Maybe this is where Bartkowski comes in, so Wideman can go?

[mrdonkey]

Wideman for MAF straight up, otherwise the Pens can buy him out or take one of those poisonous goalie contracts from Dallas.

They really don't have much of a choice here.

[GGG]

Fluery is better off getting bought out

He forces the Pens to buy him out and he signs where he feels like on a 2 year deal worth more than 1/3 of his current contract. I don't see why he waives for the flames when he likely can get more by getting 2/3rds of his Pitt deal plus what the flames would sign him for.

[Badgers Nose]

Bouma, Elliott, Flames 2nd

for

MAF, PITT 1st

[Fan in Exile]

Looking at the cap to see how this would work for the Flames and man is there a lot of dead weight on this team on Trevliving's contracts (plus Burke's Stajan signing):

Bollig
Raymond

Brouwer
Bouma
Stajan

Engelland

The first two cost us 1. 45 for no contributions. Raymond's still on the books next year. The other four are all paid too much for what they bring. We're stuck with the middle three for another year. Brouwer is a real anchor considering the length of his contract and how much money is committed to other forwards that form the real core of the team. Bouma is paid a million too much. Stajan and Engelland have both had good seasons and bring something to the team but they're paid too much and have hurt our flexibility.

Of course we are still saddled with Wideman which was not a Treliving contract but he also failed to move him when it would have been wisest to do so. Tough now that Wideman has jumped the shark.

I think MAF would be another blunder unless (and even if) we sent some of our bad contracts the other way.

I really think if we miss the post-season GG is gone and Treliving along with him, and deservedly so.

[4X4]

Wideman is gone from the NHL forever, in two months (well, hopefully, four). Why would Calgary take on MAF's contract to shed Wideman's? Wideman will retire as a free agent, last known address, Calgary.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by alan21

They won't lose Murray either way as Fleury will just get bought out.

It's just a matter of whether or not they want just some sort of asset for Fleury rather than paying him not to play for them.
Although a buyout will be an option one has to wonder if the Pens ownership group wants to have millions paid to a guy to play else where and if they don't to go down that route what asset would make sense for them to recover some value from Fleury and also save millions.

But if the options are lose Murray or buyout Fleury, why would any other team give up assets to save them millions?

Flames should wait until summer. Maybe Fleury is bought out, in which case they can negotiate a more favourable term/$. Maybe Bishops numbers come down. Perhaps Mrazek will be available. Lots of choices.

[Strange Brew]

Pens aren't losing Murray in any scenario since they will buy out MAF. We don't know what Pens owners think about the cost of the buyout or the idea they will have dead money going forward. But IMO they are incented to deal him.

In an Elliott for MAF trade, I believe Pens need to add since getting Elliott is preferable to a buyout of MAF. Let's say they add a 2nd rounder. That would interest me.

MAF's salary is decent for a starter and only 2 years after this. Could you sign Johnson to same money as this year?

Asking Pitt to eat some of MAF's salary may not work because they may prefer a buyout at that point.

I get that some don't think MAF is a legit starter anymore but I still think he might be good fit for young team.

All assumes he would waive to come here. As others have said, he may prefer being bought out and becoming UFA.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Bouma, Elliott, Flames 2nd

for

MAF, PITT 1st

I think this would be a great deal for both teams.

Happy the Flames are linked to a trade rumor finally. I am not opposed to Fleury. The contract length is great as Gillies may be ready to roll in that timeframe

[Canada 02]

any trade of Elliott gives the Blues a 3rd

[N-E-B]

If the price is low then why not? He's having a rough year but it's not like what we have is any better right now. I am comfortable riding Elliott as well though.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

any trade of Elliott gives the Blues a 3rd

Are you sure about that? Everything I can find related to the trade says that the Blues get a 3rd round pick in 2018 if the Flames re-sign Elliott. It doesn't say anything about trading him.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by getbak

Are you sure about that? Everything I can find related to the trade says that the Blues get a 3rd round pick in 2018 if the Flames re-sign Elliott. It doesn't say anything about trading him.

watch Army's video

https://www.nhl.com/blues/news/blues...lames/c-887126

[Young_Guns]

There are literally a handful of teams that would want MAF.

CGY - obvious, and likely can afford his contract.
DAL - cannot afford his contract, only could if they can dump one of their current goaltenders which may be tough to do.
WPG - need a goalie, probably can make something work, but I doubt MAF waives to go to WPG
VGK - will need a goalie, could pick him through expansion draft for nothing
COL - likely no longer want to hang on to Varlamov, may need MAF but I think they have more important things to worry about right now, like D

So realistically, we don't even know if MAF is willing to waive to come to CGY which probably isn't a whole lot of an upgrade on WPG. If I had to guess, I think it comes down to CGY and DAL. CGY would obviously have a much easier time fitting him in opposed to DAL and their huge money tied up in goaltending (can't see any takers for either of those guys with those contracts).

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

watch Army's video

https://www.nhl.com/blues/news/blues...lames/c-887126

Well, there you go.

I doubt that would concern Treliving very much anyway since it's a 3rd rounder more than a year from now. If anything, it might cause Pittsburgh to add in a late-round pick of their own to compensate.

[Enoch Root]

No thank you to a MAF for Elliott trade.

Elliott is the better goalie, and he is much cheaper.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Pitt may be in a position where they have to take what they can get. They either lose MAF for a song to a team at the deadline, or he gets picked by Vegas and they get nothing.

I'd be open to it, but not actively rooting for it.

2018 5th round + Wideman for MAF.

You'd be rooting for it then

[Anduril]

Looking at the list of UFA goalies for next season, there's a whole lot of underperforming starters, 2A and career backups. Based on what Fleury has shown this season, the cost better be enticing as there's a long line of similarly performing goalies.