Soooo how do people on here feel about the white washing criticism of the Oscars?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe this will help reduce the prestige of the Oscars from moderately irrelevant to dirty toilet water.

Moderately irrelevant? Do you know how many people watch the oscars? Do you think actors think it's irrelevant?

You may not like what they are or represent but to call them irrelevant is silly talk.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well Aunt Viv from Fresh Prince isn't holding back on Jada...



I mean I find the #OscarsSoWhite thing so weird to begin with. They are almost advocating for Tokenism so that at least someone got nominated.

First of all, you go Aunt Viv.

Is Will Smith a good actor? Yes, was his performance in Concussion nomination worthy over the other movies that were picked or the other actors that were picked.

I tend to think that we do a greater dis-service when we say that simply because an actor or whatever is black that they should automatically be there.

I agree with your point, are they advocating tokenism? Because then the question is always going to come up, was person x or movie x nominated because it was one of the 5 best movies or 5 best performances or because it was directed by Spike Lee and starred Will Smith.

Jada is probably also pissed off at the world because nobody wants to see her talentless son anywhere near the big screen anymore.

Stop pushing him down our throats lady.

He sucks.

[nik-]

His performance in Concussion was not Oscar worthy at all imo.

LOL she is bang on about the accent. It was distracting.

[Hack&Lube]

Would we care about the "Insurance Salesman of the Year" award given by random company? Why should we care about the Oscars? This is just a ridiculous spectacle put on by the film industry to promote its own films and actors and its just a bunch of actors patting each other on the back about how great a job they did this year pretending to be other people. This is the very last item any social justice warriors should be fighting for.

[rubecube]

One of the more valid criticisms I heard was that it seems like black performers, directors, etc., only get nominated when the movie they're in in has race or racism as major focal point of the film.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Moderately irrelevant? Do you know how many people watch the oscars? Do you think actors think it's irrelevant?

You may not like what they are or represent but to call them irrelevant is silly talk.

Ya, it's a bunch of overpaid narcissists patting themselves on the back for an evening. It is totally irrelevant to my life, and I don't make decisions on what movies to watch based on what director or actor they foist into the spotlight for that year, deserving or not.

Oh, the people voting don't even see all the films, and don't necessarily watch them in their best format. I'd be interested how many can judge best sound editing. I'd guess many would not be an expert to judge that.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Surpr...ees-69872.html

[Zarley]

Americans are so race conscious. It's bizarre as an outsider.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Reminds me of the white rants about Idris Elba being 007. Of course he'd be perfect for the part. There is White Supremacy in Hollywood and it's bullcockey! Strong roles should be available to everyone who can successfully portray the character.

Letter From The Birmingham Jail

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not . . . the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace, which is the absence of tension, to a positive peace, which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direction action.’ . . . Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. . . . We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

One of the more valid criticisms I heard was that it seems like black performers, directors, etc., only get nominated when the movie they're in in has race or racism as major focal point of the film.

That is true. Although, those are also the sort of films that qualify as Oscar-bait anyway. In other words, it is a nomination process that has an entrance condition, but the entrance condition isn't race... it's being the lead actor in the sort of movie that generally wins Oscars.

Honestly, Chiewetel Ejiofor's 12 Years a Slave performance legitimately deserved not just the nomination but the award. This year, I don't think there are any black actors who gave a performance of that quality. I haven't seen Concussion, though, so I could be wrong.

[CroFlames]

There are tons of great black actors, and sometimes they don't win awards, and that is fine. I don't think there is a movement behind the scenes of academy voters snubbing blacks this year. I don't follow Hollywood or the hoopla of the Oscars, but my guess is there are significantly more white actors than black ones just due to the general makeup of the American population. To me that means you can realistically expect more white actor wins/nominations.

Racism definitely is alive and well in America, but I think Hollywood is past that, to be quite honest. Hasn't Leo been "snubbed" in the past?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Americans are so race conscious. It's bizarre as an outsider.

Is it really bizarre? The history that birthed it is pretty well known.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, it's a bunch of overpaid narcissists patting themselves on the back for an evening. It is totally irrelevant to my life, and I don't make decisions on what movies to watch based on what director or actor they foist into the spotlight for that year, deserving or not.

Oh, the people voting don't even see all the films, and don't necessarily watch them in their best format. I'd be interested how many can judge best sound editing. I'd guess many would not be an expert to judge that.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Surpr...ees-69872.html

Everything but Best Picture is voted on only by the branch that it represents. So only actors vote on acting awards, only writers vote on the best screenplay, and only people who do sound and sound editing would vote on that category.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by nik-

Is it really bizarre? The history that birthed it is pretty well known.

Of course the history is known but it still feels like an alien quantity as a Canadian. I once worked with a woman who came up from Georgia and she framed everything she experienced and everything that happened to as being race-related while the rest of us (of all different visible ethnic backgrounds) were puzzled and confused.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

There are tons of great black actors, and sometimes they don't win awards, and that is fine. I don't think there is a movement behind the scenes of academy voters snubbing blacks this year. I don't follow Hollywood or the hoopla of the Oscars, but my guess is there are significantly more white actors than black ones just due to the general makeup of the American population. To me that means you can realistically expect more white actor wins/nominations.

Racism definitely is alive and well in America, but I think Hollywood is past that, to be quite honest. Hasn't Leo been "snubbed" in the past?

I think saying that Hollywood is past racism is a very naïve statement. Sure minority actors can win awards if given the opportunities, it's the fact that minorities in general are not given the same opportunities, same access, in that insular old white guy studio system, that bleeds into all these other areas.

[Hack&Lube]

When did the last Asian or Hispanic person win an Oscar or get nominated? Why don't they have their own twitter protests?

[Sainters7]

I'm not saying she's wrong, but Jada is so annoying. She's anyways bugged me.

[undercoverbrother]

Oscars, I just can't be ####ed.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

I think saying that Hollywood is past racism is a very naïve statement. Sure minority actors can win awards if given the opportunities, it's the fact that minorities in general are not given the same opportunities, same access, in that insular old white guy studio system, that bleeds into all these other areas.

Honestly, I don't think even that happens. Maybe I am naive, but if I'm a director and I'm casting roles, do I really give a rats ass what race an actor is? I want to make the best movie. Do the big studios tell their directors and producers they must give white actors prime roles over minorities? Highly doubt that. I think the studios only care about dollars no matter who the actor is.

And aren't all the major studios run by a board of governors, and not and "insular old white guy" calling all the shots?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Jews run Hollywood.

[Jordan!]

Why should the be equality when it comes to quality of work? Make the work good and you'll get nominated accordingly.