Sure people can be disappointed, no problem. They can wish and pray that there was a better option. But if, on election day, they see the two (three?) options and don’t consider Biden to be the better of them, and Biden loses, then yes it is on those voters.
I could say the same thing about PP in Canada, but the reality is that the Trudeau government has left open lanes for PP to take to victory.
You don't get to blame voters for your government underperforming in areas that are important to them.
This is the left setting up to blame Biden. If he loses it means he did not do enough to secure their vote. This is not only Democrat voters, Republican voters can also vote left (against Trump) if the policies are attractive. Biden would have failed to bring them over.
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This the left blaming Biden. If he loses it means he did not do enough to secure their vote. This is not only Democrat voters, Republican voters can also vote left if the policies are attractive. Biden would have failed to bring them over.
Republican voters are insane, but if he can't win over independents, that's on him and the Democratic party.
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Trump's campaign is winning the airwaves by what measure?
Time on air? This is due to ownership of networks concentrated in the hands of greedy rich ####s. I contest that it's actually winning here outside of a few demographics.
Approval rating? Trump's is still worse than Biden's.
Voting? So far, polling has been abjectly wrong and voting has gone largely in favor of democrats when opportunities arise.
I am curious what measure people are using to say that Trump is winning the airwaves, or media battle, or however you want to term it. I don't see that at all.
I'll give an example of something I came across the other day. Biden is losing ground with working class blacks and latinos. One of the reasons for that is immigration, but it's not because these folks are racist. It's because lower income communities are the ones that bear the bulk of the burden of supporting incoming, undocumented migrants.
The example I saw was a black community organizer speaking about rebuilding their community, upgrading community centres to provide after school programs for youth, sports facilities, etc. Now said community centres are being used to house migrants and the community feels like it's back to square one in terms of having to raise the funds and do all of that work again without any support from the federal government.
Their argument is that, if housing migrants is such an important issue to wealthy, educated, white liberals, why aren't they being housed in upper class, predominantly white communities, which have way more resources to house them? The dude said that, while he's not going to vote for Trump, this issue was causing anger to be directed towards the migrants and thus pushing black voters in the community into the Trump camp.
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I would also add that the "vote Democrat or else" line of argument only works for so long. Democrats obviously aren't going to win every single election until the end of time. So if you continually position them losing the Presidency as the end of democracy in the US, then that just makes it an inevitability which breeds apathy.
Look at reproductive rights for instance. People will fight for that, but if voting Democrat doesn't actually accomplish anything that won't just be overturned when the Republicans get into power, what are people fighting for? At best you're just delaying the inevitable, which means people who aren't particularly enthusiastic for Biden will probably just stay home.
Sure if you dig down you can say that long-term change requires the courts and voting Democrat will lead to more progressive courts. But the average voter really doesn't think in those terms. And even if they do, recent history doesn't really bear that out. Republicans have only held the Presidency for 12 of the last 32 years, but they've named 6 of the 9 Supreme Court justices.
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I could say the same thing about PP in Canada, but the reality is that the Trudeau government has left open lanes for PP to take to victory.
You don't get to blame voters for your government underperforming in areas that are important to them.
These things are not like the other. Trudeau has basically done nothing as a leader. Biden has a pretty impressive list of accomplishments, but he has failed in being assertive about these things and has not solved immigration(like every president before him).
I'll give an example of something I came across the other day. Biden is losing ground with working class blacks and latinos. One of the reasons for that is immigration, but it's not because these folks are racist. It's because lower income communities are the ones that bear the bulk of the burden of supporting incoming, undocumented migrants.
The example I saw was a black community organizer speaking about rebuilding their community, upgrading community centres to provide after school programs for youth, sports facilities, etc. Now said community centres are being used to house migrants and the community feels like it's back to square one in terms of having to raise the funds and do all of that work again without any support from the federal government.
Their argument is that, if housing migrants is such an important issue to wealthy, educated, white liberals, why aren't they being housed in upper class, predominantly white communities, which have way more resources to house them? The dude said that, while he's not going to vote for Trump, this issue was causing anger to be directed towards the migrants and thus pushing black voters in the community into the Trump camp.
I know you don't like him and you probably won't even watch the video but Bill Maher touched on this subject very well about 18 months ago:
Over the last number of years, I've found that I disagree with Maher a lot more than I used to, but I'll still watch his takes instead of cutting him off completely solely because I've found that I disagree with many of their takes. Cutting consumption out completely of anyone who has a different view from you on things is exactly the trouble that America is in and what Obama also warned about as he left office, with people being in echo chambers. And people from both sides of the aisle are equally as convinced with equal amounts of conviction that the channel from that other side is not even worth looking at. Extremely interesting to observe.
Not sure why they're using the Qur'an as an example. Right-wing Christians and Fox News would be apoplectic if Biden or Obama pulled this #### with the Bible.
I would also add that the "vote Democrat or else" line of argument only works for so long. Democrats obviously aren't going to win every single election until the end of time. So if you continually position them losing the Presidency as the end of democracy in the US, then that just makes it an inevitability which breeds apathy.
Not only that, but the Democrats treating every GOP candidate and party member as evil threats to democracy, and then turning around being buddy buddy with them once they're no longer active GOP candidates looks insanely disingenuous.
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Not only that, but the Democrats treating every GOP candidate and party member as evil threats to democracy, and then turning around being buddy buddy with them once they're no longer active GOP candidates looks insanely disingenuous.
Are these the same GOP people who spew nonsense and are pro-MAGA when they are active but then change their spots as soon as they announce their resignation? Could it be that how they are treated is directly related to the crap that comes out their mouths?
Are these the same GOP people who spew nonsense and are pro-MAGA when they are active but then change their spots as soon as they announce their resignation? Could it be that how they are treated is directly related to the crap that comes out their mouths?
That's even worse. Just means they're morally bankrupt and will say anything to get paid.
I'll give an example of something I came across the other day. Biden is losing ground with working class blacks and latinos. One of the reasons for that is immigration, but it's not because these folks are racist. It's because lower income communities are the ones that bear the bulk of the burden of supporting incoming, undocumented migrants.
The example I saw was a black community organizer speaking about rebuilding their community, upgrading community centres to provide after school programs for youth, sports facilities, etc. Now said community centres are being used to house migrants and the community feels like it's back to square one in terms of having to raise the funds and do all of that work again without any support from the federal government.
Their argument is that, if housing migrants is such an important issue to wealthy, educated, white liberals, why aren't they being housed in upper class, predominantly white communities, which have way more resources to house them? The dude said that, while he's not going to vote for Trump, this issue was causing anger to be directed towards the migrants and thus pushing black voters in the community into the Trump camp.
There was a border bill on the floor of the house designed specifically to deal with the border crisis. It had more than enough votes to be passed by both the house and the senate. Trump ordered Mike Johnson to block the bill from even being voted on. That's why it was never voted on. But I guess you'll find some way to blame that on Biden too.
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I would also add that the "vote Democrat or else" line of argument only works for so long. Democrats obviously aren't going to win every single election until the end of time. So if you continually position them losing the Presidency as the end of democracy in the US, then that just makes it an inevitability which breeds apathy.
Pointing out that another Trump presidency means the end of democracy isn't "positioning" or whatever you want to call it, it is simply pointing out the factual truth of the situation. Have a look at Project 2025 and Agenda 47. They openly lay out their plans for America and the world as soon as they get back into power.
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Look at reproductive rights for instance. People will fight for that, but if voting Democrat doesn't actually accomplish anything that won't just be overturned when the Republicans get into power, what are people fighting for? At best you're just delaying the inevitable, which means people who aren't particularly enthusiastic for Biden will probably just stay home.
Sure if you dig down you can say that long-term change requires the courts and voting Democrat will lead to more progressive courts. But the average voter really doesn't think in those terms. And even if they do, recent history doesn't really bear that out. Republicans have only held the Presidency for 12 of the last 32 years, but they've named 6 of the 9 Supreme Court justices.
Which is evidence that the system is rigged in favor of those seeking to constantly do harm to society and always make things as good as possible for the rich and well connected, at the expense of everyone else. The system needs major changes, such as doing away with the electoral college, put in place strict anti-gerrymandering rules, abolish the filibuster, and have term limits for supreme court justices. Those changes alone would make a big difference.
To sit back and say "evil people will eventually take power again and abolish all our rights, so we might as well let it happen now" is a bunch of spineless crap. Come on people, you're better than that. You need to be pushing back against them at all times with every mechanism you have.
Just to think of all the people who died throughout history so that people today could have the right to do things like vote, protest without being persecuted for it, and so on. And people are willing to throw that away because "oh, we're eventually gonna lose anyway". Get outta here with that crap.
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But I guess you'll find some way to blame that on Biden too.
Once again, it's a good thing you're a Mathgod, because your reading comprehension sucks balls.
I'm not blaming Biden for anything. I was simply giving an example of why some voters, who have always voted Democrat, are moving to Trump.
I can't stand Bill Maher, but he's not totally wrong in that video calgarygeologist posted. Whatever the Democrats are doing, it's not connecting with working class voters and it's overly simplistic and arrogant to dismiss those voters as just being duped by GOP propaganda.
You can't expect every voter to be an uber-informed politico. For most people politics is local, and it's as simple as "Is my life better or worse than it was four years ago?"
Once again, it's a good thing you're a Mathgod, because your reading comprehension sucks balls.
I'm not blaming Biden for anything. I was simply giving an example of why some voters, who have always voted Democrat, are moving to Trump.
I can't stand Bill Maher, but he's not totally wrong in that video calgarygeologist posted. Whatever the Democrats are doing, it's not connecting with working class voters and it's overly simplistic and arrogant to dismiss those voters as just being duped by GOP propaganda.
You can't expect every voter to be an uber-informed politico. For most people politics is local, and it's as simple as "Is my life better or worse than it was four years ago?"
I'll admit that the Democrats and the Biden campaign aren't doing nearly enough to get their message out there. It's been for the most part a successful first term, and they are simply not communicating their message and accomplishments well enough.
Having said that, yes I do believe that every American voter should vote for Biden. Those who do anything else are either morally bankrupt, or are woefully ill-informed and not making any real effort to get informed.
