United Airlines forcibly removes passenger on flight they (did not) overbook

[FlamesAddiction]

Based on the terms and conditions when you buy a ticket, does the airline have a right to bump you?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yes.

[andy_521]

I once volunteered to give up my seat on an Air Canada flight, I was offered a first class seat from St. John's to Calgary the next morning and a $250 flight credit. I was in no rush to get back so I gladly took it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Its probably a more Canadian trait to just turn the other cheek while someone takes advantage of you, but I can also understand why he would want to put up some passive resistance here.

What national trait is it to assess a fight and determine if you can win it prior to starting it?


As I said, I don't condone what the airline did, it was asinine.

[Raekwon]

Well within their rights, this incident was escalated by the passenger.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/04/10...ine-passengers

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Well within their rights, this incident was escalated by the passenger.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/04/10...ine-passengers

May very well have been within the airline's rights, but they sure went about it the wrooooooooong way.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

May very well have been within the airline's rights, but they sure went about it the wrooooooooong way.

I can agree but what is the right way to remove a passenger that refuses to leave? He has a plan to not back down hoping they choose someone else and it didn't go his way at that point you just accept it or be forcibly removed.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What national trait is it to assess a fight and determine if you can win it prior to starting it?


As I said, I don't condone what the airline did, it was asinine.

Well you might be better at assessing that with your military background, but honestly, I don't think the average person would expect it to go the way it did in terms of magnitude.

He was probably sandbagging until someone higher up would get involved and negotiate something better, or someone else on the plane would volunteer just to stop the madness. Or he's a surgeon and tomorrow is his 1 day/2 week scheduled OR time with 10-20,000$ in billings which he would have to forfeit if bumped off the plane, so it was worth fighting until they turn their sights to someone else. Or he wanted it to escalate and create a scene for his upcoming big lawsuit.

All of these could have been possible "wins" for him, who knows.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Well you might be better at assessing that with your military background, but honestly, I don't think the average person would expect it to go the way it did in terms of magnitude.

Meh, I don't know, confined space, 3-1, and even if you "win" you still lose.

He was probably sandbagging until someone higher up would get involved and negotiate something better, or someone else on the plane would volunteer just to stop the madness. Or he's a surgeon and tomorrow is his 1 day/2 week scheduled OR time with 10-20,000$ in billings which he would have to forfeit if bumped off the plane, so it was worth fighting until they turn their sights to someone else. Or he wanted it to escalate and create a scene for his upcoming big lawsuit.

All of these could have been possible "wins" for him, who knows.

Yeah I reckon he thought they wouldn't call his bluff. One thing I haven't seen is a video of the events up to this happening. The discussions that were had between the passenger and the airline.

[Canuck-Hater]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Well within their rights, this incident was escalated by the passenger.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/04/10...ine-passengers

Complete BS. He was sitting in his seat until that goon dragged him down the aisle

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

I can agree but what is the right way to remove a passenger that refuses to leave? He has a plan to not back down hoping they choose someone else and it didn't go his way at that point you just accept it or be forcibly removed.

Pick one of the other 200 people on the plane? He's a doctor with patients (according to the story), find someone who doesn't have as much at stake.

But it stinks from before that...they were asked to get off so employees could get on. Should have never gotten to that point. It's a PR disaster.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

I can agree but what is the right way to remove a passenger that refuses to leave? He has a plan to not back down hoping they choose someone else and it didn't go his way at that point you just accept it or be forcibly removed.

They should have never boarded the plane until the situation was sorted out, then they wouldn't have had to remove anyone.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Well within their rights, this incident was escalated by the passenger.

Within their rights? How does one get the "right" to engage in assault? Seriously this could be useful information someday.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Meh, I don't know, confined space, 3-1, and even if you "win" you still lose.



Yeah I reckon he thought they wouldn't call his bluff. One thing I haven't seen is a video of the events up to this happening. The discussions that were had between the passenger and the airline.

Do you really think the average person is thinking:

resist by sitting in the seat I paid for = get physically assaulted by airline staff?

And I don't know if its actually going to be seen as loss in the long run. I would imagine he's going to get a multi million dollar settlement once he finds a slimy lawyer and tacks on chronic headaches and nerve pain to the list of injuries sustained.

[You Need a Thneed]

There should never ever exist a situation where an airline has to forcibly remove a paid passenger off of a plane, for no reason of the passenger's fault.

If the guy is a doctor, and had booked appointments for the next day, of course he's not going to take an $800 voucher, he'll be out way more than that.

If the airline offered $1000 cash, someone would have taken that deal and willingly got off.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Complete BS. He was sitting in his seat until that goon dragged him down the aisle

Yes, sitting refusing to leave after he was picked.

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

Pick one of the other 200 people on the plane? He's a doctor with patients (according to the story), find someone who doesn't have as much at stake.

But it stinks from before that...they were asked to get off so employees could get on. Should have never gotten to that point. It's a PR disaster.

So he deserves special treatment? I'm sure he can go one day without being there to overly prescribe antibiotics and opioids.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Within their rights? How does one get the "right" to engage in assault? Seriously this could be useful information someday.

Well within their rights to remove him I didn't say assault him. But as I asked above how do you remove someone that won't leave?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Do you really think the average person is thinking:

resist by sitting in the seat I paid for = get physically assaulted by airline staff?

At this point in my life it is tuff to tell what the average person thinks.

And I don't know if its actually going to be seen as loss in the long run. I would imagine he's going to get a multi million dollar settlement once he finds a slimy lawyer and tacks on chronic headaches and nerve pain to the list of injuries sustained.

What I meant was if you win the "fight" you still end up not winning. There most assuredly would be repercussions, more "thugs".

I hope he does sue the airline, what the did was unacceptable.

getback nailed it. The airline shouldn't have let anyone get one until the # of bums matched the number of seats.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Do you really think the average person is thinking:

resist by sitting in the seat I paid for = get physically assaulted by airline staff?

And I don't know if its actually going to be seen as loss in the long run. I would imagine he's going to get a multi million dollar settlement once he finds a slimy lawyer and tacks on chronic headaches and nerve pain to the list of injuries sustained.

It would be a tough case to win.

Once they've established a need to move passengers around for whatever reason people are going to be forced to be bumped - and get compensated. The issue is the fundamental lack of understanding how airplanes need to operate mixed with an overabundance of passenger entitlement. The odds are people will most likely miss their flight or be enticed by a voucher early. But in the offhand chance they don't, the scenario escalates because the system will randomize who must move. If the randomized voluntold people then refuse, they will be forcibly removed.

So I'm not sure what happened before the incident, but the passenger is in violation of federal law once he's been told he has to go.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Well within their rights to remove him I didn't say assault him. But as I asked above how do you remove someone that won't leave?

Forcibly dragging him off the plane when he hasn't been violent or even threatened anyone is assault. There is no way around this. You cannot remove him against his will without getting the police involved.

Their solution was not to board the plane. Once done, they had no option but to convince him to go.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Forcibly dragging him off the plane when he hasn't been violent or even threatened anyone is assault. There is no way around this. You cannot remove him against his will without getting the police involved.

Their solution was not to board the plane. Once done, they had no option but to convince him to go.

I agree the police or TSA should have been involved and not airport security.