10-31-2014, 02:39 PM
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Justin Bourque gets 75 years no parole
Mountie killer gets massive sentence for killing 3 officers and wounding two others and terrifying a town.
Good sentence justice done.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...ders-1.2818516
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10-31-2014, 02:40 PM
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Justice was served pretty swiftly on this one
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10-31-2014, 02:42 PM
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Glad this pos will never see freedom again.
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10-31-2014, 02:43 PM
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I'm glad this scumbag is gone forever but I have to ask, seriously this crime is worse than Pickton or Bernado or Olson? This is the longest sentence since the death penalty was abolished apparently, why?
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10-31-2014, 02:48 PM
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He was a scumbag with no moral compass but I'd argue that he was deranged, under-socialized, un-educated, and impressionable and we need to examine these factors to find out the motivations of people who want to harm society this way.
Many profiles I've read point to his religious upbringing and being home-schooled as contributing to his personality, detachment, and lack of empathy.
Obviously this is only one case and there are many more instances that point to the contrary but really think it's highly important for people to be educated in the broader school system and to be raised with their peers if we are going to form a cohesive society.
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 10-31-2014 at 02:58 PM.
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10-31-2014, 02:49 PM
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I think because the consecutive sentence options weren't available for Bernardo and certainly not for Olson.
I could be wrong on that but I think its the case.
Bernardo was also only convicted of two first degree murders and two aggravated assaults. even under the consecutive sentences he would have done less time.
Olson made a plea bargin deal and while he was convicted for I think 11 murders. his sentences were all concurrent. So he basically got 25 years and a dangerous offender tag.
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10-31-2014, 02:50 PM
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10-31-2014, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
He was a scumbag with no moral compass but I'd argue that he was deranged, under-socialized, un-educated, and impressionable and we need to examine these factors to find out the motivations of people who want to harm society this way.
Many profiles I've read point to his religious upbringing and being home-schooled as contributing to his personality, detachment, and lack of empathy.
Obviously this is only one case and there are many more instances that point to the contrary but really think it's highly important for people to be educated in the broader school system and to be raised with their peers if we are going to form a cohesive society.
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Wow. I think the school system is quite detrimental to children these days and there are better ways of socializing them than forcing them into farily large groups of people they may not have anything in common with....
Laugh if you want but the Duggars, (you know the 19 Kids and Counting family) have raised 19 exceptionally well behaved children up in a religious, home schooling environment.
As long as they're socialized, they seem to turn out fine. Sports or other interests is a better method (IMO) of socialization than the social construct of school. Bullying anybody? Remember Columbine? School isn't for everyone.
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10-31-2014, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FireFly
Wow. I think the school system is quite detrimental to children these days and there are better ways of socializing them than forcing them into farily large groups of people they may not have anything in common with....
Laugh if you want but the Duggars, (you know the 19 Kids and Counting family) have raised 19 exceptionally well behaved children up in a religious, home schooling environment.
As long as they're socialized, they seem to turn out fine. Sports or other interests is a better method (IMO) of socialization than the social construct of school. Bullying anybody? Remember Columbine? School isn't for everyone.
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The public school system has it's flaws and is by no means the be-all, end-all solution, but I feel it is a far better regulated, monitored, and informed system of teaching and socializing young Canadians than the uncontrolled and behind-closed doors possibilities of home schooling. Of course, proper parental guidance, supervision, and extra-curricular activities are needed by all but the public school system is a way to at least get a measure or chance of that into a young person's life as well as providing the opportunities young people need to broaden their horizons and reach their potential - things they may not encounter when taught by untrained parents in a solitary home with limited resources and exposure to peers.
I view the hidden, unregulated, and isolated environments of home schooling as simply having a much higher probability than an established school system for engendering ignorance and fostering social deviance.
Last edited by Hack&Lube; 10-31-2014 at 03:19 PM.
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10-31-2014, 05:31 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I think because the consecutive sentence options weren't available for Bernardo and certainly not for Olson.
I could be wrong on that but I think its the case.
Bernardo was also only convicted of two first degree murders and two aggravated assaults. even under the consecutive sentences he would have done less time.
Olson made a plea bargin deal and while he was convicted for I think 11 murders. his sentences were all concurrent. So he basically got 25 years and a dangerous offender tag.
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It is also basically a moot point due to that dangerous offender status. Olson died in prison, and Bernardo likely will too.
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10-31-2014, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
It is also basically a moot point due to that dangerous offender status. Olson died in prison, and Bernardo likely will too.
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I know when Cody Legebokoff was recently sentenced, they had to give him concurrent sentences as well as the faint hope clause because even though that no longer exists, he committed his crimes when it still existed.
They labelled him a dangerous offender though and apparently when the opportunity for parole does come up, they take into consideration what the judge says at the time of sentencing. For that reason, the judge deliberately and explicitly said that he should never be let out and doesn't deserve to live among us. He knows that 20 years from now when many people forget the pain he caused, that his quotes will be used.
As for this case, obviously there can never be real justice, but at least they gave him everything they could. I am glad he at least showed a little remorse when it was over. He deserves to feel it forever.
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10-31-2014, 07:37 PM
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It is also basically a moot point due to that dangerous offender status. Olson died in prison, and Bernardo likely will too.
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Olsons still alive mores the pity.
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10-31-2014, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
Many profiles I've read point to his religious upbringing and being home-schooled as contributing to his personality, detachment, and lack of empathy.
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I'm completely against home-schooling, but I hardly think that's underlying cause of sociopathy.
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11-01-2014, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
Olsons still alive mores the pity.
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Died of cancer three years ago.
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11-01-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FireFly
Wow. I think the school system is quite detrimental to children these days and there are better ways of socializing them than forcing them into farily large groups of people they may not have anything in common with....
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Interacting with people you may not have anything in common with is kind of important.
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Originally Posted by FireFly
Laugh if you want but the Duggars, (you know the 19 Kids and Counting family) have raised 19 exceptionally well behaved children up in a religious, home schooling environment.
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I will laugh at this. That is a reality show, so it has nothing to do with reality.
In a past life, I taught a lot of kids with learning disabilities, and also some kids who were allegedly "home schooled". Most of those home school kids never would have met me if they went to an actual school, because an actual teacher would have taught them how to read.
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11-01-2014, 03:37 PM
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Died of cancer three years ago.
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My bad, must have missed that happy day.
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11-01-2014, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
I'm glad this scumbag is gone forever but I have to ask, seriously this crime is worse than Pickton or Bernado or Olson? This is the longest sentence since the death penalty was abolished apparently, why?
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I think because the consecutive sentence options weren't available for Bernardo and certainly not for Olson.
I could be wrong on that but I think its the case.
Bernardo was also only convicted of two first degree murders and two aggravated assaults. even under the consecutive sentences he would have done less time.
Olson made a plea bargin deal and while he was convicted for I think 11 murders. his sentences were all concurrent. So he basically got 25 years and a dangerous offender tag.
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Criminal Code was amended on December 2, 2011 to include consecutive life sentences instead of concurrent.
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11-01-2014, 06:23 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Criminal Code is amended all the time in Harper's bid to mimic the United States.
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fixed.
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11-01-2014, 06:24 PM
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Norm!
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Criminal Code was amended on December 2, 2011 to include consecutive life sentences instead of concurrent.
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Yup and I like that the consecutive sentencing is available.
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11-01-2014, 06:53 PM
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fixed.
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I guess but it does make more sense doesn't it?
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