[PST] Stanley Cup Final: (West WC2) Nashville @ (East MET2) Pittsburgh

[CaptainCrunch]

That extension is likely to be in the 9 million dollar range. I don't know if I'm interested in putting that much salary structure into goaltending

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That extension is likely to be in the 9 million dollar range. I don't know if I'm interested in putting that much salary structure into goaltending

not that it will ever happen but goaltending is the most important position in hockey...9M is a bargain

adding Price will win you more games than any forward or dman you could possibly add

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Goaltending is also the single least predictable position in hockey. Look at it this way: in 2010, Ryan Miller was 30 years old and was undisputedly the best goalie on the planet. Would you have wanted to sign him to a 7 year deal for big money?

Carey Price turns 30 next year.

They're not the same goalie, but the point is that there are very few goalies who you can predictably expect to maintain a year to year performance level, especially after 30. Price is clearly one of the elite goalies in the past decade or so, so it might be worth it, and I couldn't fault the Habs for giving him $9m. However, people should recognize what a risk it is to do that.

[Johnny Makarov]

Who would have been better? the 5 Giordanos the Oilers had or the 4 Karlssons the Preds have now. I think i'm leaning Nashville's way.

http://www.tsn.ca/kunitz-predators-h...ssons-1.762249

[Roof-Daddy]

Blows my mind that the Preds have had Weber, Suter and Seth Jones all leave the Preds in one way or another over the last 5 seasons and their D is probably better now than it was back when they had those guys.

Less than $20 million against the cap for the next two seasons for that top 4 as well, with Subban making more than the other 3 combined. Masterful work by Poile.

Must be nice to draft and develop strong high end defensemen on the regular.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not that it will ever happen but goaltending is the most important position in hockey...9M is a bargain

adding Price will win you more games than any forward or dman you could possibly add

Price for that type of salary at the age of 24 would be fine but I would be hesitant to put that much into a 30 year old who has struggled with injuries over the last 3 seasons.

Unless you are sure he is going to be a top 5 goalie in the world for that entire time you should probably stay away for that $$$ over a long term.

Other guys who were top goalies around the age of 30 (Luongo, Lundqvist, Miller) never seem to duplicate their seasons post that age.

Even when you look at NHL Save Percentage Leaders and their age:

16/17: Bobrovsky - 28
15/16: Elliott - 31
14/15: Price - 27
13/14: Rask - 26
12/13: Bobrovsky - 23
11/12: Smith - 29

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Blows my mind that the Preds have had Weber, Suter and Seth Jones all leave the Preds in one way or another over the last 5 seasons and their D is probably better now than it was back when they had those guys.

Less than $20 million against the cap for the next two seasons for that top 4 as well, with Subban making more than the other 3 combined. Masterful work by Poile.

Must be nice to draft and develop strong high end defensemen on the regular.

You can't really count Weber as they got Subban in return. However they also lost Timonem, Zidlicky and even Hamhuis, who was pretty good until he became a Canuck.

[Vinny01]

I think the Preds take this. Last year Leaf fans watched Kessel win the cup his first year out of Toronto and this year it is the Habs fans turn to watch their former beloved player Subban do the same

[SuperMatt18]

Predators have been a d-man factory over the last 20 years.

The following d-men they drafted have played over 500 NHL games (or look like they will).

1998 - Expansion Draft - Kimmo Timonen
1998 - Round 9 - Karlis Skrastins
2001 - Round 1 - Dan Hamhuis
2003 - Round 1 - Ryan Suter
2003 - Round 2 - Kevin Klein
2003 - Round 2 - Shea Weber
2005 - Round 3- Cody Franson
2008 - Round 2 - Roman Josi
2009 - Round 1 - Ryan Ellis
2009 - Round 4 - Mattias Ekholm
2013 - Round 1 - Seth Jones

In comparison the Flames have drafted these d-men who have played 500 NHL games (or look like they will) in the same time frame.

Undrafted - Mark Giordano (Should add him in here to be fair)
2003 - Round 1 - Dion Phaneuf
2008 -Round 4 - TJ Brodie

That's it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Predators have been a d-man factory over the last 20 years.

The following d-men they drafted have played over 500 NHL games (or look like they will).

1998 - Expansion Draft - Kimmo Timonen
1998 - Round 9 - Karlis Skrastins
2001 - Round 1 - Dan Hamhuis
2003 - Round 1 - Ryan Suter
2003 - Round 2 - Kevin Klein
2003 - Round 2 - Shea Weber
2005 - Round 3- Cody Franson
2008 - Round 2 - Roman Josi
2009 - Round 1 - Ryan Ellis
2009 - Round 4 - Mattias Ekholm
2013 - Round 1 - Seth Jones

In comparison the Flames have drafted these d-men who have played 500 NHL games (or look like they will) in the same time frame.

2003 - Round 1 - Dion Phaneuf
2008 -Round 4 - TJ Brodie

That's it.

Haha.

So pathetic.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha.

So pathetic.

It really is sad to look at Flames draft history.

Four of the top Flames draft picks in NHL GP over that same time frame: Jared Stoll, Craig Anderson, Travis Moen, & Kurtis Foster.

They played a combined 2529 games in the NHL....played 0 games for the Flames.

[djsFlames]

It could help if we started playing our own prospects on the team instead of filling out the 5-7 spots with (overpriced) vet signings constantly.

Kulak and Wotherspoon could have learned the ropes at the NHL level by now. They were not terrible in the little time they saw. But again and again, the Flames opt for a cup of coffee then the boot back to the farm, regardless of performance. Team is deathly afraid to play young home grown d-men.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Goaltending is also the single least predictable position in hockey. Look at it this way: in 2010, Ryan Miller was 30 years old and was undisputedly the best goalie on the planet. Would you have wanted to sign him to a 7 year deal for big money?

Carey Price turns 30 next year.

They're not the same goalie, but the point is that there are very few goalies who you can predictably expect to maintain a year to year performance level, especially after 30. Price is clearly one of the elite goalies in the past decade or so, so it might be worth it, and I couldn't fault the Habs for giving him $9m. However, people should recognize what a risk it is to do that.

I would take my chances on Price at 9M

anybody half decent is gonna cost you at least 4M or 5M eventually

stop paying 4th liners 2+M and the difference pays for itself

[Coach]

Pulling for Nashville. Poile deserves it.

[CSharp]

As the series between the Sens and Pens wore on, I just got sick and tired of the Sens playing D in their own end most of the time. Reminded me too much of the Ducks vs Flames series. Preds are pretty fast and it's exciting to watch. So, we have two offensive teams going to the finals. Both teams are pretty beat up. Gonna be fun to watch. Go Preds!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Sorry I forgot to include the fact that it was contingent on Carey Price signing a extension.

The acquisition cost is still far too high. Even knowing that Price is presently the best goaltender on the planet your proposal is relatively dramatically more than has ever been paid in a trade for a goalie.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Blows my mind that the Preds have had Weber, Suter and Seth Jones all leave the Preds in one way or another over the last 5 seasons and their D is probably better now than it was back when they had those guys.

Less than $20 million against the cap for the next two seasons for that top 4 as well, with Subban making more than the other 3 combined. Masterful work by Poile.

Must be nice to draft and develop strong high end defensemen on the regular.

I hope this model entices NHL GM's to shift high end talent around the league more. Star hockey trades are always exciting.

It's pretty crazy when you look at what Nashville has done in terms of hockey trades and then compare it to CP discussions on Flames "stars". We're so afraid to even entertain the idea of a good Flames player being traded because we're so conservative and figure the only way to build a team is to get what you get with picks and the draft and try to make small improvements on that.

The idea of shipping out anyone for something else is so foreign to us. I think it was Darryl Sutter's demeanor and the way he built teams in the 2000's that led to this attitude in our fans, as it was mostly working.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Who would have been better? the 5 Giordanos the Oilers had or the 4 Karlssons the Preds have now. I think i'm leaning Nashville's way.

http://www.tsn.ca/kunitz-predators-h...ssons-1.762249

I think that with 4 Karlssons you could at least play a couple at forward.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The acquisition cost is still far too high. Even knowing that Price is presently the best goaltender on the planet your proposal is relatively dramatically more than has ever been paid in a trade for a goalie.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

It's crazy to see what Habs fans think they could get for Price if Bergevin did decide to trade him.

Especially considering that the only way they could ever trade him would be from a position of unbelievable weakness and the goalie market is always limited to begin with.

A goalie like Price would certainly return some nice pieces, but more than likely just highly rated futures in the form of prospects and picks. Not young core pieces already playing in the NHL and contributing to their teams success.

[Fire]

It's Saturday, why didn't this series start tonight?