UPD: US Women's NT and USA Hockey reach deal

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If they can't survive on what they get but are being asked to devote their full-time effort to training, it leaves them with little choice.

I hear that, but I don't know that it's the case, because if it were, it wouldn't be so easy to replace them with other players who want a shot at a spot going forward. Unless we're saying that under the current model, all US national team players have to be independently wealthy to make it work.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why would USA hockey care if the players play in the CHL or NCAA? They don't get anything for sending players to either.

It's far more difficult for USA hockey to boast about its men's program if most/all of their best players are developed in Canada.
Hockey Canada is exactly the same. They don't want the top kids to choose NCAA over the CHL.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why would USA hockey care if the players play in the CHL or NCAA? They don't get anything for sending players to either.

The proof is in the pudding. Each and every year the USA purposely leave better players off their team because they went the CHL route. They actually even punished players in the past for switching to the CHL from the NCAA (made WJ team the year before, left off after the switch).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Do you feel the same about all Olympic sports? Should not the downhill skier, the curler, the bobsledder and hockey player all be compensated? Who should pay them?

Women's hockey doesn't generate the interest other sports can and do: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nwhl-...f-save-season/

Certain sports like female downhill skiers or tennis players make it work because the sport is popular. Life is not fair sometimes.

Curlers are pros, and part time ones at that. I'd leave them out.

Downhill skiiers I suspect are better funded, because of the number of participants. Same with bobsledders (who are also part-timers generally).

It sounds like the US team demands full-time training. If so, they need to pay a living wage.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Didn't the Olympics bounce Women's Softball for the very same reason? Basically a showdown between Canada and the US each year?

I think it's coming back this time around, but imagine it will be the same results.

Nope. The IOC currently has a mandate for equality as much as possible, so they were never going to bounce women's softball by itself. Also, the Canadian women's softball team was routinely one of the most overrated squads in the entire Olympic program.


Softball and Baseball were bounced together because host cities didn't want to build specialized baseball stadiums that were never going to be used again. Both are back on the program for 2020 because Japan is the host.

[sureLoss]

Allan Walsh @walsha
Word circulating among NHL players that American players will refuse to play in men's World Championships in solidarity with the women.

[Resolute 14]

There is literally nothing Alan Walsh ever says that is not propaganda, so that is not a claim I would take seriously absent confirmation from an independent source.

Also, to go the flippant route, for many of these players it isn't exactly showing solidarity to pass up going to a tournament you weren't going to attend in the first place.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Allan Walsh @walsha
Word circulating among NHL players that American players will refuse to play in men's World Championships in solidarity with the women.

I'm in agreement with most of what the USA women are asking for, but Alan Walsh is an idiot I don't take seriously

[mac_82]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Curlers are pros, and part time ones at that. I'd leave them out.

Downhill skiiers I suspect are better funded, because of the number of participants. Same with bobsledders (who are also part-timers generally).

It sounds like the US team demands full-time training. If so, they need to pay a living wage.

Alpine skiers have to pay team fees (usually in the 5 figure range) to be on the national team. The only way athletes survive is to have personal sponsors, wealthy family, prize money, and carding money from the COC ($18k per year before the increase).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

You'd have to think the idea of replacement players is just a negotiation tactic. I assume any fringe players would be showing support to the main team and wouldn't want to be known as scabs for the rest of their career. Is the US really going to send the C or D team? They would get smashed by Canada and silver wouldn't even be a guarantee.

Thats basically it though.

At the end of the day its a 2-3 team tournament.

The US is basically guaranteed Silver or Gold. Bronze at worst.

Its a development process. You arent going to get paid as Professionals when you're building something from the ground up.

[sureLoss]

in reply to this tweet:

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Allan Walsh @walsha
Word circulating among NHL players that American players will refuse to play in men's World Championships in solidarity with the women.

Cassie Campbell @CassieCampbell
Spoke to some USA Men's players in last few weeks about this and other things regarding @usahockey Wonder how this speeds up negotiations!

looks like it is actually being discussed

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm in agreement with most of what the USA women are asking for, but Alan Walsh is an idiot I don't take seriously

I think I'm in agreement with all they are asking for, except a 200k salary per year.
Unless that's just posturing from USA hockey.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think I'm in agreement with all they are asking for, except a 200k salary per year.
Unless that's just posturing from USA hockey.

The thing is...they play what? 15 somewhat meaningful games a Decade?

[killer_carlson]

USA Hockey will fold. This looks terrible for them in the Court of public opinion.

If they don't fold, heads will roll and they'll lose the inevitable lawsuit anyways.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

What lawsuit? What could they possibly be sued for?

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Allan Walsh @walsha
Word circulating among NHL players that American players will refuse to play in men's World Championships in solidarity with the women.

I mean it's a nice gesture but it would pack a bit more punch if most of the players didn't refuse to go every other year, too.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Allan Walsh @walsha
Word circulating among NHL players that American players will refuse to play in men's World Championships in solidarity with the women.

solidarity or a ready made excuse not to go??

[getbak]

It looks like they might have a deal. The USA Hockey board of directors is meeting tomorrow to vote on it: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...down/99673828/

It seems the deal was made last week, but the board originally rejected it. They've been contacting potential replacement players and have been consistently rejected by them as well.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I mean it's a nice gesture but it would pack a bit more punch if most of the players didn't refuse to go every other year, too.

Exactly. The Men's players are happy because at least they have a valid excuse this time.

[CroFlames]

http://www.tsn.ca/report-us-men-coul...ycott-1.706930

TSN also had a story on men joining the boycott, but their source is likely the same.


I wonder if this snowballs into other sports and Olympic athletes start expecting a salary from their associations all year long.