Yep, I ****ed up big time in that thread, that's part of why I responded the way I did to Slava and others in this thread.
I was posting about how it was obviously suicide, listing the reasons and saying it was pretty absurd to argue otherwise. Problem is, it was the guy's son or someone like that, who it turns out was trying to rationalize that it wasn't suicide because their beliefs didn't allow for suicide as admission to heaven or something.
So basically telling a young son of a suicide victim "No, you're wrong, this is what happened". I reflected on that a lot, it really stuck with me.
And I appreciate it actually. I should know better for sure. I deal with death more often than I would like as my clients age (and as a society we are heading into a "death boom"), so hopefully I've learned to not be so ignorant.
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Finding out a bunch of strangers are talking about them like this isn't helpful to their recovery. No one on here knows those guys or their family so making public judgements or talking crap about them does nothing but make the entire situation worse.
I get not mocking the family in this time, but I'm sorry I will not hold my tongue about the situation to make them feel better. People need to know how selfish this high-risk lifestyle is, not only to their own families but the public. People should be talking about how utterly disgusting these individuals were.
These #######s decided to make their dealings public when they put the public at risk. What if a five year old shopping with her mom was hit by a stray bullet because of the dealings of these asshats?
Police don't let it slip that the victims were known to police and they suspect it was a drug deal gone wrong if they aren't pretty sure that's the case. If this ends up being the one in ten thousand times that a situation like this happened and the "victims" were actually just in the wrong place at the wrong time, I'll apologize, but that's not likely.
Unless you can show me that these families encouraged and enabled their family member to live this lifestyle, I won't join your crusade.
Sorry, what are you talking about? You must have grossly misread what I wrote if you're coming to this conclusion because no other logical explanation makes sense.
The guy literally asked us not to discuss the situation or those involved because it might make the family feel bad. That's too bad. It happened in a public place putting the public at risk, the public has every right to discuss it and 'insult' the idiots involved. Period. That shouldn't even be a question at this point. This has nothing to do with empathy towards the family, it sucks for them, but the idiots involved deserved to be called out for living a lifestyle that put the innocent public at risk and be condemned for it. No $5 weed sale results in multiple public murders in Calgary.
That has nothing to do with the family.
Salman Abedi had family members who believed he was a good person and are also mourning his life. I still reserve the right to call Salman Abedi an absolutely disgusting piece of #### human being that is hopefully rotting in hell.
Maybe I am getting old but is that what we call it now, doing and/or dealing illegal drugs for profit? A "lifestyle"?
Has it gotten so mainstream that we normalize it in that fashion?
I am glad that innocent people were not injured or even killed during the incident. This easily could have resulted in the deaths of multiple other bystanders and even kids. In fact, I wonder what the response would have been then if a toddler had gotten shot through the head due to the "lifestyle".
Salman Abedi had family members who believed he was a good person and are also mourning his life. I still reserve the right to call Salman Abedi an absolutely disgusting piece of #### human being that is hopefully rotting in hell.
Ha ha. "I reserve the right harrumph harrumph harrumph!".
Nobody is trying to take away your right to sound like a dickhead. Dragging a terrorist into this story about some people that were victims of a crime doesn't help your case. It's ridiculous.
We get it. These guys were no angels. I don't think anyone has said different. If it makes you feel superior to badmouth them, go to town. You have the right!
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We get it. These guys were no angels. I don't think anyone has said different. If it makes you feel superior to badmouth them, go to town. You have the right!
Hey now RougeUnderoos, don't say that about these guys. Their parents might read it!
I don't need to feel superior. I can safely say that probably everyone in this thread is superior to the scumbags.
I can't believe that political correctness has extended to drug dealers now. Don't say anything bad about them, they're humans too. Humans who didn't give two ####s about anyone else when they decided to do their bad drug deal in a public parking lot and put a bunch of innocent people at risk, but well...
Hey now RougeUnderoos, don't say that about these guys. Their parents might read it!
I don't need to feel superior. I can safely say that probably everyone in this thread is superior to the scumbags.
I can't believe that political correctness has extended to drug dealers now. Don't say anything bad about them, they're humans too. Humans who didn't give two ####s about anyone else when they decided to do their bad drug deal in a public parking lot and put a bunch of innocent people at risk, but well...
Hey now RougeUnderoos, don't say that about these guys. Their parents might read it!
I don't need to feel superior. I can safely say that probably everyone in this thread is superior to the scumbags.
I can't believe that political correctness has extended to drug dealers now. Don't say anything bad about them, they're humans too. Humans who didn't give two ####s about anyone else when they decided to do their bad drug deal in a public parking lot and put a bunch of innocent people at risk, but well...
Goddamn political correctness rears its ugly pink head again.
If you want to hack on these dead guys and their families, that's your thing. You have reserved that right, which is very bold of you.
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Goddamn political correctness rears its ugly pink head again.
If you want to hack on these dead guys and their families, that's your thing. You have reserved that right, which is very bold of you.
Not their families. I don't know why you guys keep wanting to bring up their families lumping them in with these guys. They may have had little to nothing to do with the guys dealings.
But yeah, I do think we should be able to call out these asshats for being asshats. We're fortunate that we didn't have another Jose Neto or Keni Su’a on our hands because of these idiots. Thank God only those involved were hit by the bullets this time. But that's not always the case, and those jackasses didn't give two ####s about that chance.
Honest question, do you guys know more than what's been said in the public? It's very possible these guys were just petty weed dealers and were about to be robbed, resisted and then shot dead? Did they deserve to die for selling weed? You guys are acting like dealers are just terrible humans who have zero positive attributes. I can understand the hatred for fentanyl dealers and dangerous drugs like that but come on, we all know not all dealers are of the same breed. Some sell harmless drugs like marijuana and don't deserve to die. Guys that sell dangerous drugs that kill other people are the ones that deserve the hate, but we don't know if that's the case here
Honest question, do you guys know more than what's been said in the public? It's very possible these guys were just petty weed dealers and were about to be robbed, resisted and then shot dead? Did they deserve to die for selling weed? You guys are acting like dealers are just terrible humans who have zero positive attributes. I can understand the hatred for fentanyl dealers and dangerous drugs like that but come on, we all know not all dealers are of the same breed. Some sell harmless drugs like marijuana and don't deserve to die. Guys that sell dangerous drugs that kill other people are the ones that deserve the hate, but we don't know if that's the case here
Honest question, do you guys know more than what's been said in the public? It's very possible these guys were just petty weed dealers and were about to be robbed, resisted and then shot dead? Did they deserve to die for selling weed? You guys are acting like dealers are just terrible humans who have zero positive attributes. I can understand the hatred for fentanyl dealers and dangerous drugs like that but come on, we all know not all dealers are of the same breed. Some sell harmless drugs like marijuana and don't deserve to die. Guys that sell dangerous drugs that kill other people are the ones that deserve the hate, but we don't know if that's the case here
Criminals willingly involved in high risk and illegal activities. They knew the risks before they chose to partake in those activities and paid for it.
At the same time, they chose to put innocent members of the public at risk by conducting their deals at a grocery store on a weekday. They could have met somewhere where the public wasn't exposed to the risks they were willingly accepting, but probably figured being in a public space would limit their risk.
There are weed dealers who deal in other #### or deal in a gang which increases your chance of being shot by a lot. The dude who just sells weed is the most chill kind of dealer and he probably has a hook up for mushrooms too.
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Some sell harmless drugs like marijuana and don't deserve to die. Guys that sell dangerous drugs that kill other people are the ones that deserve the hate, but we don't know if that's the case here
Actually that's not how it works, it matters little to the criminal element what type of drugs you're selling it's about the enormous amount of cash and the greed that comes with it. I think most would agree nobody deserves to be murdered for selling any type of drug.
On the subject at hand I have a theory,
- the killer was being strong armed by the 2 victims (probably owed them drug money)
- the killer agreed to meet them for payment but in a public parking lot
- the killer wearing a slight disguise sneaks up on them with payment in bullets
