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[zamler]

Ep4 was brilliant.

[AcGold]

This stuff with the therapist/chess guy is an O'Brien setup. The long stares, the shady business, letting a mentally deranged person handle your online business solutions.... I don't buy it. He's setting Elliott up for a fall

[greyshep]

Originally Posted by AcGold

The show is incredibly complex and requires careful consideration. His personality issues are a metaphor for modern society and play an integral role in the philosophy being presented. His imaginary friend is analogous to fiat/digital currency. A fundamental flaw that can not be managed or reasoned with.

Elliott struggles with Mr. Robot the same way in which Mr. Robot struggles with society. Eternally fighting an illusion is about as cerebral a conflict one could create.

I wont dispute any of those points, however in my opinion it hasnt been exciting tv so far. Hopefully episode 4 picks up the pace.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by greyshep

I wont dispute any of those points, however in my opinion it hasnt been exciting tv so far. Hopefully episode 4 picks up the pace.

The end of ep. 4 does finally pick back up. I agree, it was a long slog through the insanity episodes, too much focus on character and the plot stalled out. I can see how some viewers would enjoy that style though.

[AcGold]

Yeah I get why you wouldn't like it. I'm on the extreme scale of analyzing movies and shows so if you aren't focused 100% a lot of the themes and meanings will fly by. Not everyone likes to have to pay that much attention and this is way past Breaking Bad in terms of hidden meanings and hints. Everything is compared and paralleled in Mr. Robot for various reasons, if you're not into philosophy and hidden meanings it's probably very boring.

[polak]

Episode 4 was the best of the season so far. Finally pieces are being put together

[polak]

Originally Posted by AcGold

This stuff with the therapist/chess guy is an O'Brien setup. The long stares, the shady business, letting a mentally deranged person handle your online business solutions.... I don't buy it. He's setting Elliott up for a fall

I feel like he was a cop but it's weird that he's not at least involved with the FBI investigation so I don't know. That office didn't look like your typical shady criminal office. He's definitely a master manipulator though.

Either way I think that episode really kicked things off but I feel like you needed the other episodes to really get were everything sat after the hack. Character development is important in a show so reliant on each characters traits to move the plot forward and make it believable.

When Elliot snapped at his therapist, do you think that would've been as powerful if you didn't watch the other three episodes where we really got an idea of where he was? Do you think the battle between him and Mr. Robot and him finally giving in would've been as impactful if you didn't have the other three episodes of Elliot trying to get rid of him?

Those kind of things have to be earned or you end up with a half assed show like most of the other garbage on TV.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by polak

I feel like he was a cop but it's weird that he's not at least involved with the FBI investigation so I don't know. That office didn't look like your typical shady criminal office. He's definitely a master manipulator though.

Either way I think that episode really kicked things off but I feel like you needed the other episodes to really get were everything sat after the hack. Character development is important in a show so reliant on each characters traits to move the plot forward and make it believable.

When Elliot snapped at his therapist, do you think that would've been as powerful if you didn't watch the other three episodes where we really got an idea of where he was? Do you think the battle between him and Mr. Robot and him finally giving in would've been as impactful if you didn't have the other three episodes of Elliot trying to get rid of him?

Those kind of things have to be earned or you end up with a half assed show like most of the other garbage on TV.

I think you need to have a balance, otherwise you end up with some try hard Woody Allen script. Don't get me wrong, I love the show. It just felt like they could have condensed some of the Elliott/Mr. Robot dynamic into maybe one less episode. We get it, he's on the verge of insanity. Time to advance the plot of the show.

It's really just a preference I guess.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I think you need to have a balance, otherwise you end up with some try hard Woody Allen script. Don't get me wrong, I love the show. It just felt like they could have condensed some of the Elliott/Mr. Robot dynamic into maybe one less episode. We get it, he's on the verge of insanity. Time to advance the plot of the show.

It's really just a preference I guess.

Fair enough and I wouldn't really disagree that Episode one could've been one part. But hey if those 3 episodes are as bad as it gets? This is probably the best show of all time.

It's funny that Wednesday nights episode is the first episode of Mr. Robot to not score 100% on RT. Had to settle with a measly 94%. One bad review.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I think you need to have a balance, otherwise you end up with some try hard Woody Allen script. Don't get me wrong, I love the show. It just felt like they could have condensed some of the Elliott/Mr. Robot dynamic into maybe one less episode. We get it, he's on the verge of insanity. Time to advance the plot of the show.

It's really just a preference I guess.

I agree that it's a preference thing. For me every single scene is advancing the plot because of the complexity of Elliotts ego. So much so I'll have to rewatch it.

He didn't even recognize his sister, his mind is splintering and it's going to lead somewhere. At the end of episode 4 Elliot realized there is no destroying Mr. Robot. That's what the 4 episodes were about as well as establishing Elliots future motives for behavior.

Mr. Robot is never leaving as long as Elliot is around. He's not just his father's memory he's part of who Elliot is and they are actually one in the same now, Elliot gave in and now he's hacking not because he wants to, not because Mr. Robot told him to but because if he doesn't Mr. Robot will haunt him forever.

That's important because now we know Elliot is acting out of pure mental illness with very little reason or philosophy. He's in survival mode but not, he's in limbo where the only choices are desolation or martyrdom.

He doesn't really care about taking down the system, the significance is that Elliot has absolutely nothing to lose now. He'll do anything as the real Elliot is gone, now we have someone completely lost in illusion trying to shape world events. I bet he ends up scott free of all this running for political office with a maniacal twinkle in his eyes.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by polak

Spoiler!

- Im positive his friend is an illusion. In the scene where he throws the basketball away and then leaves, people start to move away from Elliot even though it appeared like he was just quietly sitting there. So it was probably him that actually picked up the ball and caused the scene.

- His mom isn't there and he's living alone. I'm not as sure about this one but the fact that we don't see her interacting with Elliot makes me think she's not there.

- I think everything else was real. Still haven't been able to put my finger on what happened with Tyler Welleck. Did Elliot shoot him with the gun that was hidden in the popcorn machine?

like the movie, 6th sense, where you ponder on the subtle scenes...

Spoiler!

there's a reason why they had shown a scene where Elliot reaches for the gun in the popcorn machine when Tyler was at the arcade. After the FBI finding the shell of a bullet, it's confirmed to me now that Elliot used the gun and killed Tyler. Tyler's "voice" on the phone was actually in Elliot's head. Mr. Robot doesnt want to reveal to Elliot that he's dead because he'll know it'll destroy him knowing that he's a murderer, which is why both Mr. Robot and "Tyler" is protecting Tyler's whereabouts. I hope I'm wrong but this seems to be the most plausible theory to me

[Frank MetaMusil]

Crazy episode last night!

[AcGold]

Uh oh for Elliot. Hope he's OK, maybe they punched Mr. Robot out of his head and he's free now.

Also, it's Tyrell not Tyler. But I do agree now that I think about it, Elliot probably took him out.

[polak]

That was another good episode. It's really taking off now. That shooting scene was pretty terrifyingly realistic. Just happens in a flash.

[polak]

That was an odd intro! But made sense once they revealed that he was in the hospital.

Not going to lie, I was a little disappointed with that episode as I was hoping things would really take off with Elliot now but instead they used it as almost a filler episode for him to touch more on the back story. The back story scene was well done though.

Really liked the heist scene.

[gallione11]

Originally Posted by polak

That was an odd intro! But made sense once they revealed that he was in the hospital.

Not going to lie, I was a little disappointed with that episode as I was hoping things would really take off with Elliot now but instead they used it as almost a filler episode for him to touch more on the back story. The back story scene was well done though.

Really liked the heist scene.

I lost it when he bumped into Alf at the gas station, but overall, I agree. The episode was lacking in progression storywise.

[getbak]

Stupid PVR cut off early again tonight, but luckily I was watching it close enough to airing that the last 15 minutes were still in the cache.

If you had the same problem, you definitely don't want to miss that last 15 because they answered at least one of the big questions of the season.

[Machiavelli]

Wow. That was done very well

[AcGold]

Now the question is can we trust Elliot about anything anymore? I hope he's not in a mental institute or a jail the whole time and he played everything out after his dad died.

Angela, his childhood friend, and sister were the two people he interacted with most. Really hope it's not an Abed alternate reality kind of thing.

[polak]

I can't wait to see how long he's been in for and for what.