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Old 10-09-2013, 08:39 AM   #21
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Acording to Bob Hartley, Ben Street.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:02 AM   #22
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I shudder at even trying to answer this question, it's like saying "what makes a player good?".
I'd say this: a number one center is a guy with a high level of talent (whether it be offensively or defensively) and is relied upon to carry his team in full or in part. As well, a true number one center should be roughly comparable to to every other #1 in the league.
For example, Toews, Eric Staal, Backstrom, Malkin, and Henrik Sedin. These are all number 1 centers because there is no clear cut skill differential. All bring different skills, but they are all at that same level. Jordan Staal, on the other hand, is a number 2, because if you compare him to any of those guys, you'd pretty much take all of them over him.
It's not perfect, but that's kind of how I see it. I think there are 20ish true #1 centers in the NHL.
Technically Malkin is a #2 center.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:03 AM   #23
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The real answer to the OPs question is Jonathan Toews. That is the definition of a #1 center.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:37 AM   #24
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The real answer to the OPs question is Jonathan Toews. That is the definition of a #1 center.
Ya, I completely agree with this. Obviously Crosby is amazing and not someone who comes around often. I think Toews is my favorite #1.

I think you have to have the whole package, offensive, defensive, a leader on the team and must win faceoffs!!!

And guess what, we have someone in the system who could do all those things if developed properly, al a Monahan.

Defining it is hard to do because everyone values skills differently. The whole package is important IMO.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:41 AM   #25
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I still say top 30 centres in the league.

If every centre in the league went into a draft and each team had to pick the best guy available, would he get picked in round 1? Then he's a #1 centre.

Same logic goes into whether a guy is a #1 goalie in the league. There are good #1s (Rinne, Quick, Lundqvist), average #1s (Hiller, Price, Ward) and bad #1s (Dubnyk, Pavelec, Nabokov). You can argue which guys are good, bad or average. But they're all #1 goalies.

Similarly, you can argue as to whether the Nuge is average or poor as a #1C, you can observe that Stamkos is an elite #1C, you can say Koivu and Kreijci are pretty good but not on the same level as the top guys. They're still all #1Cs.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:45 AM   #26
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Ya, I completely agree with this. Obviously Crosby is amazing and not someone who comes around often. I think Toews is my favorite #1.

I think you have to have the whole package, offensive, defensive, a leader on the team and must win faceoffs!!!

And guess what, we have someone in the system who could do all those things if developed properly, al a Monahan.

Defining it is hard to do because everyone values skills differently. The whole package is important IMO.
An ideal situation would be to have a Crosby like player and a Toews like player as a 1a/1b.

Thinking about the possibility of a McDavid / Monahan tandem is making me drool a little bit.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:46 AM   #27
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:56 AM   #28
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I can tell what it shouldn't be... Ben Street.
Unless the criteria is to be offensively handcuffed and getting pushed around.
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:43 AM   #30
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Technically Malkin is a #2 center.
And in that very same sense Matt Stajan is technically a #1 center.
Malkin would likely be a #1 center on almost any team in the NHL (he'd at least, as I said, be comparable to other #1 true centers), thus, he's a #1 center.
Pittsburgh happens to have two #1 centers, while a team like the Flames have zero.
Surely I didn't have to explain that to you, but here you go anyway.
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Malkin would absolutely be the #1 center on 29 other teams in the NHL
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:48 PM   #32
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And in that very same sense Matt Stajan is technically a #1 center.
Malkin would likely be a #1 center on almost any team in the NHL (he'd at least, as I said, be comparable to other #1 true centers), thus, he's a #1 center.
Pittsburgh happens to have two #1 centers, while a team like the Flames have zero.
Surely I didn't have to explain that to you, but here you go anyway.
Ya, ya, I knew what you meant. I was just being a dink.

And it's actually a little sad that Stajan is the best center on the Flames. I feel like he would be a #3 guy with a contender.
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What other team would put Malkin at #2?
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What other team would put Malkin at #2?
Arguably Tampa.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:19 PM   #37
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Hawks, maybe. I definitely think Toews is a more rounded player and the best option for a #1 guy, but Malkin puts up more points so who knows.

You're probably right about Tampa though. I always forget that Stamkos plays center.

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Old 10-09-2013, 02:31 PM   #39
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Arguably Tampa.
And this is why those guys are number one centers, because you can logically argue for and against them without looking like an idiot.

As far as Stajan goes, he'd be a solid 3rd line guy on a deep contender. 2nd on most teams. 1st on Calgary
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:35 PM   #40
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Imagine if the Penguins actually took Toews instead of Staal.

They would have had Crosby, Malkin, and Toews.

Wonder how different things are for Pittsburgh and Chicago over the last 5 years if those two end up switching teams.
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