Still one of my most favorite musical scenes ever. Debbie Reynolds was all of 19 years old and she had only been dancing for 3 months, compared to Gene Kelly and Donald O'Connor who had been dancing for several decades.
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Watched A New Hope last night, CC's Dad was right, she is the toughest character.
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Watched A New Hope last night, CC's Dad was right, she is the toughest character.
Yeah, with a young daughter I think more these days about role models for girls in film. It's great that TFA and R1 have strong female leads, but when you watch ANH she was decades ahead there.
Carrie Fisher's autopsy report shows the actress had cocaine, heroin and MDMA in her system prior to her death.
Investigators could not determine what impact the drugs found in her system had on her death.
The report released Monday states Fisher may have taken cocaine three days before the Dec. 23 flight on which she became ill. She died four days later.
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It certainly doesn't change my opinion of her, but it's really effing stupid to do cocaine, heroine, and MDMA at all, never mind together, never mind at age 60. People should know better, but let's not act like it doesn't matter.
Can't deal with mental illness pretending that none of that happened.
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I get what you're all saying, but I guess my question is where was her support system? She fought so long and so hard to fight her demons and come out the other side better and stronger then ever, and then to end up having those drugs as a what might be a contributing factor to her death to me is sad.
I'm not condemning her, I'm not sitting here saying once a junkie always a junkie, we know addicts can fall, but where was the support system.
In the end its laudable that we admire her for a tough battle, but really in the end she didn't win, she didn't beat those demons.
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Beloved celebrities seem to get a pass for being messed up addicts. How many people applauding Fisher's 'courage' in her struggle would feel the same about their wife's scuzzy uncle Terry who's always hammered at family functions, neglects his family, can't hold down a job, and says inappropriate things at Thanksgiving?
Self-destructive people are sad. But I don't feel any particular need to lionize them simply because they're popular entertainers. We do have free will, even if some people have a tougher time exercising it than others.
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Suggesting that drug abuse is a reasonable way to cope with mental health issues is a new brand of idiocy.
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One thing I noticed watching friends and family who have struggled with addiction is that when that addiction has a hold of them they will avoid those they know that want to stop it and surround themselves with those who will support it/join them. Usually those are degenerates or fellow addicts who have also fallen off the wagon, so no good decisions are being made at that point.
I am assuming at this point Carrie was surrounding herself with the wrong people, and while she might have had a support system it probably either wasn't aware or was aware to late of what was going on to stop it. I thought I read that her brother was with her on the plane? Perhaps he had gotten to her after a bender but the damage was already done.
Seems so weird she would go back there at this time in her life, Star Wars was back, she seemed so happy on set and apparently everyone reported she seemed full of life. Do you think that going back to Leia awoke some sleeping demons that pushed her back to that life style? Or did she just never leave it in the first place and it was a ticking time bomb?
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Do you think that going back to Leia awoke some sleeping demons that pushed her back to that life style? Or did she just never leave it in the first place and it was a ticking time bomb?
Maybe she just really liked being high.
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One thing I noticed watching friends and family who have struggled with addiction is that when that addiction has a hold of them they will avoid those they know that want to stop it and surround themselves with those who will support it/join them. Usually those are degenerates or fellow addicts who have also fallen off the wagon, so no good decisions are being made at that point.
I am assuming at this point Carrie was surrounding herself with the wrong people, and while she might have had a support system it probably either wasn't aware or was aware to late of what was going on to stop it. I thought I read that her brother was with her on the plane? Perhaps he had gotten to her after a bender but the damage was already done.
Seems so weird she would go back there at this time in her life, Star Wars was back, she seemed so happy on set and apparently everyone reported she seemed full of life. Do you think that going back to Leia awoke some sleeping demons that pushed her back to that life style? Or did she just never leave it in the first place and it was a ticking time bomb?
I've read some books on addiction, and I'm by no means an expert, but I've had some friends go through their own battles.
With a lot of families and "support Groups" they eventually give up on their goal of getting their family member or friend off of the drugs, and enable again in the hopes that they can lesson the harm that a person does to themselves.
A person's battle with addiction is a family and friends wide war and all sides come out scarred not matter what the result to the addict themselves.
There's this saying that a lot of people have that the addict has to hit "rock bottom" before they'll ask for help. But most people don't and can't watch a person suffer that much so they won't let them hit rock bottom, they'll literally cushion that fall no matter what the personal cost. Plus Rock Bottom pretty much equals dead.
Most times the best way to help a person is to make them see the personal and profound consequences of their addiction to themselves and others. But sometimes the "support group" won't take it that far because of the emotional cost.
I loved Carrier Fisher, she seemed like a wonderful, vibrant, smart tough woman, but I refuse to believe that her support system around her didn't see her fall. They were so linked with her through her battles that there was noway that they couldn't see the signs, and I wouldn't believe them if they said they were surprised about the autopsy reports.
I think she was profoundly let down by the people around her, but at the end of the day, Carrie made the choice to surrender her fight.
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Beloved celebrities seem to get a pass for being messed up addicts. How many people applauding Fisher's 'courage' in her struggle would feel the same about their wife's scuzzy uncle Terry who's always hammered at family functions, neglects his family, can't hold down a job, and says inappropriate things at Thanksgiving?
Self-destructive people are sad. But I don't feel any particular need to lionize them simply because they're popular entertainers. We do have free will, even if some people have a tougher time exercising it than others.
Its one of the few genuine windows we get into someone's life thats more or less unfiltered.
Most people would likely be proud of 'Scuzzy Uncle Terry' if he managed to clean up his act and turn his life around.
Which Fisher did. For a time.
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I've read some books on addiction, and I'm by no means an expert, but I've had some friends go through their own battles.
With a lot of families and "support Groups" they eventually give up on their goal of getting their family member or friend off of the drugs, and enable again in the hopes that they can lesson the harm that a person does to themselves.
A person's battle with addiction is a family and friends wide war and all sides come out scarred not matter what the result to the addict themselves.
There's this saying that a lot of people have that the addict has to hit "rock bottom" before they'll ask for help. But most people don't and can't watch a person suffer that much so they won't let them hit rock bottom, they'll literally cushion that fall no matter what the personal cost. Plus Rock Bottom pretty much equals dead.
Most times the best way to help a person is to make them see the personal and profound consequences of their addiction to themselves and others. But sometimes the "support group" won't take it that far because of the emotional cost.
I loved Carrier Fisher, she seemed like a wonderful, vibrant, smart tough woman, but I refuse to believe that her support system around her didn't see her fall. They were so linked with her through her battles that there was noway that they couldn't see the signs, and I wouldn't believe them if they said they were surprised about the autopsy reports.
I think she was profoundly let down by the people around her, but at the end of the day, Carrie made the choice to surrender her fight.
Being the support system for somebody on a major years-long self-destructive downward slide is exhausting. Trying to help people is noble, but if it's clearly going to be futile on the eleventh time you've tried helping somebody you should walk away for your own sanity and for the people around you that are more deserving of your energy.
Fisher was a drugged-out mess for 40 years or something. This is on her 100% and not on her family and friends at all.
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