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Old 08-14-2017, 09:52 AM   #361
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Why give anyone the freedom to march? Why not make rallies illegal unless your going to rally in this abandoned industrial area on Sunday at Midnight that the police have set aside for you.

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Do we need to change the old saying "I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it to my dying breath". to "Shut your mouth you can't say that". And then who defines what's out of bounds.
No, we don't need to change it.

Years ago in Calgary, there was a march against Stephane Dion's "Green Shift" and it had a positive impact.

There were thousands of people marching against Trump after he was elected, and there was no problem there.

There needs to be this mechanism to express displeasure in a civilized and responsible yet demonstrable way. If not, it becomes like communist Russia or China - if you speak out against the government then off with your head.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:52 AM   #362
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Also, that's completely and utterly wrong. Hate speech is protected by the first amendment. Technically it's also protected freedom of expression here under s.2(b), it's just overridden by s.1 of the Charter in certain circumstances. But it's absolutely protected speech in the USA.

Yup.

You can hate whatever you like, you can say so publically as well. As it should be.

You cannot incite violence towards or threaten your target of hate however, also as it should be.
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^You also can't use your expression to intimidate people... but at that point you've pretty much crossed the line into assault, so that's hardly surprising.
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The U.S. Supreme Court ruled on this in National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, when Nazis planned a march through a Chicago neighbourhood full of holocaust survivors. Even Nazi marches and swastikas are protected by the first amendment.
So is burning a cross on a black family's lawn.

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/fede...5/377/case.pdf

Seriously, I really wish people would educate themselves on what the rights provided under the constitution mean. In Canada, literally any attempt to convey meaning is protected.
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Old 08-14-2017, 11:45 AM   #364
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I disagree. Having spent 8 years in the south, (Half in south Carolina and half here in Oklahoma) I can confirm America sucks. It's not some small percentage of vocal folks. It's quite a large percentage that are against education, women, minorities, non Christians, etc... I even have redneck family back in illinois that spend all day posting confederate flag memes on Facebook. It's disgusting. I remember the first time someone in SC told me that the civil war wasn't about slavery, but state's rights. Blew my mind.

Anywho, I think you'll find much of the harshest criticisms on here are from is Americans. I genuinely wonder if I should move to a different country. This one seems to not be a good fit for me.
I just wanted to step in and say for every racist or ignorant American you knew, I also knew the same number that were wonderful accepting people just wanting to live their lives in a normal peaceful manner.

I lived in parts of SoCal and although I came across racists, I met far more intelligent, polite and tolerant folks. I agree with the OP that Canadians bash America way too much and it makes them look ignorant.
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Old 08-14-2017, 12:18 PM   #365
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David Duke wasn't happy about Trumps comments on the weekend. These were before Trump condemned the KKK by name today.


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I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists.

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Old 08-14-2017, 12:21 PM   #366
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I just wanted to step in and say for every racist or ignorant American you knew, I also knew the same number that were wonderful accepting people just wanting to live their lives in a normal peaceful manner.

I lived in parts of SoCal and although I came across racists, I met far more intelligent, polite and tolerant folks. I agree with the OP that Canadians bash America way too much and it makes them look ignorant.
+1. I'm from Calgary but currently live in Virginia (just outside of Washington D.C.), and I have had the same experience.

On a related note, I came across this yesterday (I'm not sure how trustworthy this site is so caveat here) - http://www.canadalandshow.com/rebel-...ec-plagiarism/

Regardless of the above, I find the amount of collaboration between Canadian conservative politicians and Rebel Media a little troubling, given their messages. Andrew Scheer himself has, or had political staffers who held Director positions in Rebel Media. Jason Kenny has delivered a few right-wing gems through Rebel channels as well.

Thoughts?

Feels like mainstream politicians in Canada regularly legitimize an outlet that incites the sort of thinking that fuels hate. Canadians on the whole seem to not have an issue with this.

What am I missing?
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Canadians on the whole seem to not have an issue with this.

What am I missing?
A lot

The Rebel media has about as much validity as and even less following than Breibart in the US... in other words, from the extremes on the edges of the Right Wing. It is not mainstream.
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A lot

The Rebel media has about as much validity as and even less following than Breibart in the US... in other words, from the extremes on the edges of the Right Wing. It is not mainstream.
Not true.

Rebel media co-founder and director is the campaign manager and political strategist to the federal goverent official opposition leader.

This is, literally, the Steve Bannon Canadian equivalent.
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+1. I'm from Calgary but currently live in Virginia (just outside of Washington D.C.), and I have had the same experience.

On a related note, I came across this yesterday (I'm not sure how trustworthy this site is so caveat here) - http://www.canadalandshow.com/rebel-...ec-plagiarism/

Regardless of the above, I find the amount of collaboration between Canadian conservative politicians and Rebel Media a little troubling, given their messages. Andrew Scheer himself has, or had political staffers who held Director positions in Rebel Media. Jason Kenny has delivered a few right-wing gems through Rebel channels as well.

Thoughts?

Feels like mainstream politicians in Canada regularly legitimize an outlet that incites the sort of thinking that fuels hate. Canadians on the whole seem to not have an issue with this.

What am I missing?
Sounds like we're neighbours!

I agree, lots of great folks in this area.
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A lot

The Rebel media has about as much validity as and even less following than Breibart in the US... in other words, from the extremes on the edges of the Right Wing. It is not mainstream.
I appreciate the response.

Suppose that the Rebel's following is on the edges of the right only. Wouldn't mainstream politicians like Kenny and Scheer engaging through it's channels serve to make it's messages more mainstream by legitimizing it?
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^You also can't use your expression to intimidate people... but at that point you've pretty much crossed the line into assault, so that's hardly surprising.

So is burning a cross on a black family's lawn.

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/fede...5/377/case.pdf

Seriously, I really wish people would educate themselves on what the rights provided under the constitution mean. In Canada, literally any attempt to convey meaning is protected.
Well, just a minor quibble: attempts to convey meaning through violence are not Charter-protected.
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Anyone feel like summarizing the Rebel's apparent editorial position on this so I don't have to go to the site?
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Not true.

Rebel media co-founder and director is the campaign manager and political strategist to the federal goverent official opposition leader.

This is, literally, the Steve Bannon Canadian equivalent.
Meh, I donno. I follow them on FB and it's really more of a vlog. They are just angry ass opinion pieces, but none of it is news. For example, they did a piece a few weeks ago on how women should dress when going to church.

Breitbart, at the very least, wrote news articles. They were extreme right, but still news. Rebel Media is just 3 or 4 vloggers making opinion pieces based on links from other news agencies. Idiot, yet harmless drivel, IMO.
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When this first happened, and was even posted in this thread, it was rumoured that the kid that did it was a Bernie supporter.
As far as I know it came from gotnews which is a site by a self-admitted troll.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_C._Johnson
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Meh, I donno. I follow them on FB and it's really more of a vlog. They are just angry ass opinion pieces, but none of it is news. For example, they did a piece a few weeks ago on how women should dress when going to church.

Breitbart, at the very least, wrote news articles. They were extreme right, but still news. Rebel Media is just 3 or 4 vloggers making opinion pieces based on links from other news agencies. Idiot, yet harmless drivel, IMO.
Is this a joke?
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Is this a joke?
No joke. I don't think I've ever seen them write a single piece of news.
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Not true.

Rebel media co-founder and director is the campaign manager and political strategist to the federal goverent official opposition leader.

This is, literally, the Steve Bannon Canadian equivalent.
Are you saying that Breibart is mainstream in the US? I wouldn't, but then again, I'm not as well read as you are.
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Are you saying that Breibart is mainstream in the US? I wouldn't, but then again, I'm not as well read as you are.
The head of Breitbart is the chief adviser to the president of the united states.
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Former head of breitbart. His point is that very, very few people actually read that website in the U.S. Which, if memory serves, is true; I think they're something like 35th among "news" and political commentary sites.
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I mean, does it matter what their readership is at this point when their editorial director is directing policy discussions in the white house?

Does Breitbart even need any exposure anymore when the President of the United States is issuing their talking points for them?

It is tough to get more 'mainstream' than being the established executive government of the united states of america.
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