View Poll Results: Should the Flames bring back Treliving
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No
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This is so obviously yes it shouldn't be a poll question
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04-28-2017, 04:06 PM
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#421
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Franchise Player
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If the contract is a formality, then why the #### isn't it signed? Why wait?
You're THAT busy you can't take literally two seconds to sign a piece of paper?
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04-28-2017, 04:08 PM
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#422
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Because it appears everyone involved is about 1/1000th as worried about it as posters here are. Why wait? Why not wait?
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04-28-2017, 04:11 PM
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#423
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
If true, this seems like a pretty awful tactic to use by the Flames.
I'm definitely not a negotiator, but I am certain that you are much better off extending a contract months ahead of its expiry than waiting until job vacancies open up around the league, providing your current GM with more options and increased leverage.
Either way, I certainly cannot get my head around the rationale for letting things play out like they have unless their is some serious friction behind the scenes.
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It is actually not that difficult to imagine a few reasonable alternatives. I think the most plausible one is that ownership, Burke, and Treliving have all spoken in broad strokes about the framework for an extension, but have agreed that it can wait until after the 2016–17 season debrief.
The more I think about this, the more I am of the opinion that the length of time this is taking is actually a decent indication that Treliving will remain in Calgary. Think about it like this: If the Flames were even considering moving in another direction, it seems like they would be under some urgency to know whether or not Treliving is to be re-signed, and if not, then why would they drag this out and waste time on filling the vacancy? If Treliving were more concerned about his future in Calgary, why would he not have pressured them to extend him, or have resigned already to pursue other opportunities? If there was any actual concern from either party as to Treliving's future, I would think that Buffalo would have received permission to speak to him about their GM vacancy, or Treliving himself would have contacted them to express his own interest. Yet, none of these things is happening.
Both sides seem content to let this play out until later. For all intents and purposes if both sides are not in a hurry, then I think this is a good sign that this gets done.
Last edited by Textcritic; 04-28-2017 at 04:15 PM.
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04-28-2017, 04:13 PM
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#424
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
If the contract is a formality, then why the #### isn't it signed? Why wait?
You're THAT busy you can't take literally two seconds to sign a piece of paper?
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If the contract is a formality, why not wait? If everyone within the organisation knows what is bound to happen, then where is the urgency?
There is more than one way to interpret this.
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04-28-2017, 04:17 PM
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#425
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First Line Centre
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I hope they wait to the very last minute to sign just to see the level of handwringing that will ensue.
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04-28-2017, 04:20 PM
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#426
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Location: London
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
If the contract is a formality, why not wait? If everyone within the organisation knows what is bound to happen, then where is the urgency?
There is more than one way to interpret this.
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After what King said on the Fan the other day, I'm not too worried about Tre not re-signing. Unless I interpreted King's words and incorrectly, I don't think there is much to worry about.
Maybe the Flames want to keep some excitement going.
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04-28-2017, 04:22 PM
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#427
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I believe in the Pony Power
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They may have already agreed with the main points of the deal (term for instance) but could still be negotiating finer details.
Often the dotting the ts and crossing the i's can stretch on even if conceptually both parties have agreed to the big things.
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04-28-2017, 09:42 PM
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#428
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Don't let Buffalo sign Tre...get er done Calgary
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04-28-2017, 09:43 PM
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#429
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by iamca
Don't let Buffalo sign Tre...get er done Calgary
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Buffalo can't even talk to Treliving. He still has a contract with the Calgary Flames until June.
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04-28-2017, 10:29 PM
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#430
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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I have a really, really bad feeling about this mess
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04-28-2017, 10:36 PM
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#431
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Acerbic Cyberbully
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
I have a really, really bad feeling about this mess
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I don't know. I think if the Flames or Treliving had any intentions of going in a different direction, then they would have done so already. Why would either side delay making a change if one or the other actually wanted out?
To me, the silence and the delay more sensibly suggests that Treliving is staying in Calgary.
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04-28-2017, 10:54 PM
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#432
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I don't know. I think if the Flames or Treliving had any intentions of going in a different direction, then they would have done so already. Why would either side delay making a change if one or the other actually wanted out?
To me, the silence and the delay more sensibly suggests that Treliving is staying in Calgary.
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Completely hypothetical, but if Treliving wanted to pursue something in a different direction, I could see the Flames giving him time to look into it before re-signing him. I don't think they would try to hold him back, but at the same time, they would probably be hoping he stays so they wouldn't want to just let him go yet.
When Friedman talked about the Flames having to offer him at least "market value" to stay, it wasn't clear if the market value is just based on GMs with 3 years of experience and no major championships, or the general market value for someone with his skills and background (which could be higher).
Honestly, I suspect this is more about Treliving prioritizing himself last and taking care of everything else first. He seems like that type of guy. I hope I am right.
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 04-28-2017 at 10:58 PM.
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04-28-2017, 11:01 PM
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#433
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Completely hypothetical, but if Treliving wanted to pursue something in a different direction, I could see the Flames giving him time to look into it before re-signing him...
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If Treliving were actively pursuing other opportunities in the NHL outside of Calgary, someone would have leaked that to the media by now. Those sorts of secrets are impossible to keep confidential.
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04-29-2017, 07:00 PM
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#434
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Lifetime Suspension
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I guess they are still doing exit interviews for the pop corn vendors and ushers?
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04-29-2017, 08:31 PM
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#435
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Franchise Player
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Skimmed through Steve Simmons column. He makes a crack that he has something in common with Brad Treliving. Neither speak with Brian Burke.
I know about the history Simmons had with Burke but what's the Treliving story? Is he just referring to fact that Treliving hasn't signed an extension because supposedly it's no priority or did I miss a story about he and Burke?
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04-29-2017, 09:16 PM
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#436
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damn onions
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Why not wait?
Because what you don't know can hurt you. If the man is under contract it eliminates the risk of, say, a team without a GM but very interested in Treliving coming along and making an offer the guy can't refuse.
If the guy is your guy, you get it done asap. You don't sit around for no reason.
Simply put, the criticism is warranted, this is stupid.
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04-29-2017, 09:21 PM
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#437
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Participant
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Why not wait?
Because what you don't know can hurt you. If the man is under contract it eliminates the risk of, say, a team without a GM but very interested in Treliving coming along and making an offer the guy can't refuse.
If the guy is your guy, you get it done asap. You don't sit around for no reason.
Simply put, the criticism is warranted, this is stupid.
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Considering that nobody can make him a contract offer, or even speak to him about that matter, it's not.
There is zero reason to get this done right now.
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04-29-2017, 09:24 PM
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#438
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
Why not wait?
Because what you don't know can hurt you. If the man is under contract it eliminates the risk of, say, a team without a GM but very interested in Treliving coming along and making an offer the guy can't refuse.
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It's a good thing that Treliving is still under contract, then.
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If the guy is your guy, you get it done asap. You don't sit around for no reason.
Simply put, the criticism is warranted, this is stupid.
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Since you don't know what is happening behind closed doors I would maintain that the criticism is indeed grossly premature.
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04-29-2017, 09:24 PM
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#439
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damn onions
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Considering that nobody can make him a contract offer, or even speak to him about that matter, it's not.
There is zero reason to get this done right now.
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Ah, thanks, that definitely clears that up then. What point can they?
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04-29-2017, 09:25 PM
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#440
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Considering that nobody can make him a contract offer, or even speak to him about that matter, it's not.
There is zero reason to get this done right now.
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Is this true that nobody can approach an NHL executive under contract? That would contradict almost any other professional labour market.
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